V Tree
A large V shaped pine tree on the Antony estate near Torpoint...
Seaton Beach
Located at the bottom of the Seaton River valley this sand and shingle beach is popular with families. At low tide it joins up with Downderry around the headland...
Seaton River
The Seaton River as it flows out of the valley and through the village of the same name...
Portwrinkle
Looking down over the one time fishing village of Portwrinkle. In the background is the start of Whitsand Bay as it stretches 4 miles down the Rame Peninsula...
The letter in question, and its capital, and the other Lhuydian letters has been published in Amendment 3 of ISO/IEC 10646, and will be published in Unicode 5.1 in due course.
Yes. You deliberately said that you have proof that your theory is correct, but you refuse to actually supply us with one. Instead you only supply us with your theory.
For my part, this says to me that you did not speak the truth when you said that you have proof that your theory is correct.
Plus everyone says these words as [iU] now anyway, so it's irrelevant.
See Michael, you did know the answer. It's too bad you have to be asked several times before you can give an answer when you have already boasted about encoding all of the Lhuydian symbols, and even then you have to be snide about it. So what you are saying is that the Lhuydian symbols will be in a future release of Unicode.
That statement is your personal opinion, no survey has ever been carried out. In any case what bearing does the present-day pronunciation of a bunch of amature revivalists have on the historical phonemic structure of Cornish. That at least is what I'm interested in, since without it how are we to correctly interpret the text? Yes I collated all my data, years ago, but no-one was particularly interested. I don't believe you're especially interested and really can't understand your obsession with this point. When in the past I have put together data sets and arguments to prove some point or other it's always been a total waste of my time. You have always dismissed the former and appear to be unable to follow the latter. I do not go around like some people do, urging everyone to follow my lead. I simply mentioned a few years ago, a possible (and interesting?) solution to an existing problem, sorting out the MC -w diphthongs and accounting for a handful of 'problem' words (like _pluw_ 'parish'). It so happens that other people have found this insight useful, and indeed the _uw_ spellings were formally adopted by the Language Board recently. This was not at my urging, I don't expect a prize for it. Had I not spotted the answer hopefully someone else would have before too long. End of story. Aside, with regard to the natural sciences, it's actually very unusual for a report to incluce raw data.
Of course I knew the answer.For your information, Terry, I have been travelling. Did you have to ask several times? Bless. Thanks, though, for taking another opportunity to be snotty and to try to paint me as a bad guy.The letter in question, and its capital, and the other Lhuydian letters have been published in Amendment 3 of ISO/IEC 10646, and will be published in Unicode 5.1 in due course.
My personal opinion is based on my ability to listen and analyse sounds. I know no one who pronounces 'God' as *[dyʊ].Your friends argued that the phoneme exists and should be represented in the SWF.I asked you to present your data.I wouldn't have asked you to present your data if I didn't want to look at it.You're the one who brought it up this time.Because you didn't convince me? I'm sure that it was the evidence and arguments that were wanting.I am perfectly able to follow your arguments. You have yet to prove any of them. And it is an interesting theory. But for it to be proved, you would have to show all the words that rhyme with plu 'parish', and then all the words that rhyme with those. If you are right, the pattern you claim will be evident for everyone to see. I don't believe that such a pattern would be found, but I cannot prove or disprove your theory without seeing a presentation of the evidence. I am not responsible for collating it. It is your theory. Accordingly, I remain sceptical, as any linguist would.The "insight" is just a bit of neat conlangery unless it can be shown that the corpus supports it. So show it! Or can't you?I guess you think that absolves you for inventing a phoneme and getting people to add it to the phonemic repertoire of Kernowek Kebmyn? Well, I don't believe that people will start saying their prayers to [dyʊ]. I'm sure they will continue to address [diʊ]. As did people who spoke traditional Cornish.In philology, however, it is not. In philology, it is actually quite expected for a theory to show its proof. Particularly in a case like this. I have stipulated that your theory is "neat". But I have challenged you to prove it -- by listing each of the words with your alleged phoneme, and by showing us all of the words that rhyme with those. If, for instance, they only rhymed with each other, it would be a closed set and your theory might be plausible. But that won't be the case, I think, which is why you make excuses for not presenting the data. You know you'll be proved wrong by it.
Why do you call uw /yw/ a 'phoneme' when it is just a combination of two well established phomemes? Given that phomemes /i, I, E, A, O/ can all be followed by /w/ why is it odd that /y/ should also sometimes be followed by /w/. (The two remaining vowels /9, o/ both have quite limited distributions, and as I've shown, the historical sequences that might have been expected to give oew in fact develop to uw). Why do you think the /yw/ sequence is any more exceptional than /yn/ or /yl/ for example?
You appear to imply the uw [yw] is impossible to pronounce. If you believe this you must explain how this sound undisputedly existed as a distinct entity throughout the whole of Old, Middle and Early Modern Welsh even though it was restricted to a handful of words, really only Duw 'God'. This of course was one of Nynja's arguments against 'dj' -- that no language could sustain the contrasts between /dj/, /d'/ and /dZ/ that is what might be spelled dy, dj and j. (Of course we now see that the contrast was between [dj, Z, dZ] where the second probably never developed full phonemic status before falling in with j in LC, but that is beside the point here). You continue to berate us for having proposed /d'/ (palatalised-d) as though it were some insane theory. Yet essentially the same idea had been advanced by Loth years before. In any case you continue to throw this accusation at us even though you must know through your work that many languges do sustain a /dj ~ Z ~ dZ/ contrast, (several Slavonic languages for a start, and as for the Athabaskan consonant systems ...). So the argument that this sequence is 'impossible' does not hold water, and you must know that -- unless you employ some subtle version of 'doublethink'.
Your out-of-hand dismissal of any ideas that conflict with those of you Master is well established and does not inspire me to try to convince you over this point. The Kesva have accepted this correction and they are elected to govern the language, you are not.
In any case you have on hand a fully searchable corpus and so could find all the necessary proof (or disproof) in an afternoon if you really wanted to. There are in fact rather few rhymes with 'God' -- that in itself ought to tell you something, given the subject matter of the texts. I have to conclude that you are simply incapable of examining and assessing this data for yourself. In which case your many pronouncements on Cornish linguistics are be taken with a very large pinch of salt. Indeed I really can't see where you've contributed any significant advance to our understanding of Cornish (please show us where you have!) Everything you say appears to be parroted straight out of Williams' writings.
I should say something nice about Michael. Without his efforts many of the little used graphs that occur in manuscripts would never get into Unicode. Without them modern printing of the documents cannot accurately reflect what was in the manuscripts. For that we all owe Michael thanks. The work that he has done in this area is a result, I believe, of a true devotion to including all possible characters from every language into Unicode.
I would also like to say that I don't believe that his efforts in Cornish have anything to do with making money as some have insinuated. He and I obviously have a fundamental difference in our point of view about reviving Cornish. This sometime gets us both a little peeved at each other.
Now that hopefully the SWF debate is over all of us can let tempers cool down.
ShelterBox team in 'good spirits'
A Cornish charity packs another 1,000 survival boxes after becoming one of the first teams into the Burmese cyclone zone.
Man hurt in 'tombstoning' plunge
A man suspected of "tombstoning" off a cliff in Cornwall is in hospital with spinal injuries
Work begins to repair canal gates
Work is under way to repair the storm-damaged lock gates of Cornwall's Bude Canal.
Brown wants more homes for young
Gordon Brown says he wants to help young people in Cornwall buy houses
Gangmaster hits back after losing licence
A gangmaster has spoken out after having his licence revoked amid claims of forced labour.
Pupil's punishment 'not enough'
A mother criticises a one-day suspension for a pupil who attacked her daughter at a Cornish school.
Flora day celebrations
Thousands flocked to Helston's ancient Flora Day on Thursday and while they arrived in their droves, rain - thankfully - stayed (mostly) away.
Prime Minister visits Eden
The Prime Minister made an impromptu visit to Cornwall today and enjoyed an extensive tour of the Eden Project.
