V Tree
A large V shaped pine tree on the Antony estate near Torpoint...
Seaton Beach
Located at the bottom of the Seaton River valley this sand and shingle beach is popular with families. At low tide it joins up with Downderry around the headland...
Seaton River
The Seaton River as it flows out of the valley and through the village of the same name...
Portwrinkle
Looking down over the one time fishing village of Portwrinkle. In the background is the start of Whitsand Bay as it stretches 4 miles down the Rame Peninsula...
So you claim. I do not believe you. And I know this: the personal anomosity that members of the Kesva have for people who criticize Kernowek Kebmyn is no secret to anyone. I have no confidence in the Kesva. I do not acknowledge their linguistic expertise, their moral claim to the language, or any claim that they "govern" it.
It is quite certain that you wish people to believe this. It is likelier than not that you and I will never enjoy a collegial or convivial pint. You are not a part of the community to which I belong, Keith. You're a mean-spirited amateur without the walk to back up his talk.
A grown up linguist would not suffer the likes of you for five minutes.[/quote]This just goes to show how little you actually understand about linguistics. But I don't need your approval, Keith.
Oh what a confort your faith must be to you! You are sure, you haven't bothered to look, but you are sure![/quote]Do feel free to prove me wrong. I have indeed looked at the rhymes for 'God', and its spellings. Even a cursory look shows your theory to be dubious at best.
I think Keith is right that the one time Lhuyd uses a reversed l was a typo. There are obvious typos in the Welsh translation. Line 10 he uses an lh instead of the special reversed l. Notice lines 9 and 10 in the Cornish part where in line 9 he writes o`l but in line 10 oll. He does write guelha in lines 9 and 10 where Boson writes guella. Lhuyd says on p. 228 of A CORNISH GRAMMAR " L has two pronunciations in the oldest MSS. That which is common in English and all other languages, and that which is at present peculiar to Welsh". From that I think he probably did not hear the Welsh ll in the Cornish of his time. Again on p. 2 he says "LH is peculiar to the Welsh". On p. 225 Lhuyd lists his Cornish alphabet. There is no lh included.
I was installing software on a new computer today, Mr I-Can-Insult-People-With-Impunity-Because-I-Am-Anonymous PieterCharles. And you wonder why we dislike you Kebmynites so much. All we get is abuse from you. And all that for daring to show that Kernowek Kebmyn was riddled with mistakes.
Everson, I know you have as much intelligence as a one celled amoeba, but it is 'Kernewek Kemmyn' that is the brand name, not the stupid retarded side form you are using.
Hypocrisy at best. It sounds as if you have two mouths.
Members of the Kesva have demonstrated quite a good knowledge of linguistics on here. They run examinations which I don't think anyone else does and of course they publish a lot.
What on earth are you talking about, Mr I-Can-Insult-People-With-Impunity-Because-I-Am-A-Smart-Fellow-As-I-Told-You-All-More-Than-Once ?
I have NEVER wondered why you dislike Kebmynites so much.
Because I didn't realise you DID dislike Kebmynites so much.
When you say WE, just who are you talking about? Clearly it includes you, but who else? Eddie-C? Marhak? Williams? All of Agan Tavas?
On whose behalf are you talking when you write 'we'?
What I now DO wonder is how many non-Kebmynites actually DO dislike Kebmynites. The ones I actually know (rather than those that are just a name on this board) don't seem to share your animosity.
None of us dislikes ordinary users of Kernowek Kebmyn. They are not the ones who come here and revile us. Many of them have worked with us, in fact, or given us their candid views of what we were trying to do.
Those people are leagues away from some of the anonymous nasties we have to put up with here. If you can't see the difference, well, fine.
And I shall say "we" with impunity so long as you hide behind a nickname, PieterCharles.
Is this back-and-forth going to continue even though the SWF has been finalised?
Does anyone at all have a good word for the SWF?
Isn't a single(-ish) written form what everyone wanted?
If none of the active writers from any of the current forms decide to support the main form, who's going to produce material for schools?
Incorrect. We believed that since geminate consonants in general had been rejected and were no longer a part of the SWF, that keeping this one hold-over in was an oversight or error.
Incorrect. Either Nicholas or I asked Ben and Albert what their authority for keeping such a geminate was. They said that it was Tregear. So we looked at Tregear.
Incorrect. What we discovered was that Tregear regularly aspirates in some positions. His <tth> is actually a way of writing <thh>; that is, he writes an underlying perfeth-ha, gwell-ha, and gwann-ha. These segments were probably subject to a secondary gemination, however.
Incorrect. We think it's pretty clear that Tregear was writing aspirates. However, it is not improbable that those segments geminated. Certainly we know some speakers of Revived Tudor Cornish and Revived Late Cornish pronounce <nh> and <lh> as [nh] and [lh] and others pronounce them [n:] and [l:]. We did not "discover" Tregear's <nh> and <lh>. We did, however, notice a pattern that evidently no one had noticed before.
Incorrect. We would not suggest that every "double l" or "double n" be written as <lh> or <nh>. The feature is not found in words like tesennow~tesednow. It is only found in words like perfettha, gwelha, gwannha~gwadnha. (Phonetics: [pərˈfɛθhə] > [pərˈfɛθːə], [ˈɡwɛlhə] > [ˈɡwɛlːə], [ˈɡwanhə]~ˈɡwadnhə] > [ˈɡwanːə]~ [ˈɡwatnə]
We aren't suggesting an umpteenth way of writing "the same sound". We find a linguistic pattern in Tregear. And even if some speakers of Revived Cornish don't make the distinction, others do.
This is dismissive. Whoop-de-doo.
Your suppositions were almost all incorrect. Sorry to say so. You were trying to score points.
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I expect it also "depends on what you mean" by such slippery little lexical items as "is", "this", "going" . . .
Alternatively, it could just be that our resident Poetaster is talking his usual line of busel vergh!
Give it a rest, Keith. What on earth version of Tregear are you looking at? I have 10 examples of <tth> in Treagear, and the examples you have given do not have <tth> in them. Please cite your examples. I will be happy to cite mine.I don't think so.
Ad-hominem attack. <oe> occurs in the texts in Latin words of course. But why are you worried about it? The SWF uses <oo> for this set of words, which has [o:] in RMC and [u:] in RLC. And Ken George in his own PSRC says that <oo> would be an acceptable graph for this set of words. He suggested <oe> because he preferred the RMC pronunciation and because he thought that people should avoid the RLC pronunciation, but now that the SWF is supposed to embrace both, why should you be grousing about <oe>?
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