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SWF, For or against

Evertype Posted: 25.03.2008, 11:15

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Furf is attested once in the OCV. Form and derivatives are attested some 60+ times.
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shrdlu Posted: 25.03.2008, 11:37

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Ah, y hwelav, goky. Ytho o po "form" po "furv" po "lytherennans" usyes gans an styr "spelling system" y'n tekstow koth?
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morvran Posted: 25.03.2008, 15:26

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Nag ezens, awoz ny wre an duz koth skoellya aga ink ha'ga farchemin war daklow mar foll!

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morvran Posted: 25.03.2008, 15:55

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marhakIf you recall, Keith, the SWF was to have been based upon KD with KS input.


Yeh, righ! Just like the Process was to have been open and time-limited and involve consultation, take note of reliable statistics ... In case you haven't realised yet nothing, but nothing, that the Partnership has a hand in ever seems to come out the way it was supposed to. But I'm sure you have realised.

QuoteNeither included <k, hw, kw> and so those graphs were not originally on the table at all. We not only gave them back to you as part of a deal, but with Main Form status to boot. This process is about the whole spectrum of Cornish users, not just one faction. So there's no reason to brand us the bad boys. We've actually been the good guys from your point of view. So be nice to us.

I don't like the terms "Main Form" and "Side Form" which were only provisional titles for convenience's sake. I'd prefer "Official Form" and "Traditional Form" (Then Tim can call us Traditionalists rather than Authenticists).


My main point is that I'm getting quite different messages from different people. According to the Partnership Officers, A & B etc. the "side forms" are very definitely second-class citizens. According to you they are not. I suspect someone or some body in all this is trying to keep everyone happy by telling everyone what they want to hear. But eventually a single public statement has to be made, and that's when the shit will hit the fan. Presumably that's why the Process is getting endlessly spun out, to put off that awful moment when someone will actually have to make a decision that cannot really please everybody.

The Commission were supposed to choose the best form, so we could move on, but they copped out and Trond got left holding the hot potato. I'm sure he never asked for this icon_rolleyes

Anon.
Six Wise Commissioners, attentive and alive,
One fell down and broke his crown, and that left only five.

Five Wise Commissioners, they paced about the floor,
Someone fired a catapult, and that left only four.

Four Wise Commissioners, dissembled to agree,
One found he had a plane to catch, so that left only three.

Three WIse Commissioners, stood and told us what to do,
Then said one, "my spin is spun", and that left only two.

Two Wise Commissioners, both dying to abscond,
'Twas Miquel did a runner, so that left only Trond.

From the vćrbitt land of bohccuid,
Far o'er the furet sea,
Came that Last Lone Commissioner ...

... Thank God he's got M. E. !!!



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marhak Posted: 25.03.2008, 20:59

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That's rather good. Can we quote it (giving the credit to "Anon."! of course)? And the last line seems very complimentary to Michael.
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shrdlu Posted: 25.03.2008, 21:31

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He probably meant M.E. as in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which is what overseeing the process would give anyone.
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morvran Posted: 25.03.2008, 23:21

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shrdluHe probably meant M.E. as in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which is what overseeing the process would give anyone.


Probably not, at least I hope not. I think the sense may be that some people's help can be a mixed blessing. Irony may be involved I suspect icon_rolleyes
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shrdlu Posted: 26.03.2008, 08:41

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I did spot that, morvran. icon_lol
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pietercharles Posted: 26.03.2008, 09:15



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EvertypeFurf is attested once in the OCV. Form and derivatives are attested some 60+ times.


Mes attestys yw an ger 'furv' yn Kernewek Arnowydh moy ages 363 gweyth, ny vern mars yw kevys yn tekst unys, kemmyn po neb furv arall (drog yw genev, red 'form' ena mars yw an ger 'furv' divlas ragos).

Ny wra an yeth omdhisplegya nevra mars eus edhomm a skonya geryow a wrussyn devnydh anedha dres lies blydhen drefenn aga bos attestys saw unnweyth y'n tekstow. 'Furv' po 'form'? Nyns yw hemma kesstrif - gwell via kavoes neb dyffrans ynter an dhew er a yllyn y dhevnydhya dh'agan les.
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Evertype Posted: 26.03.2008, 13:54

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Choose whatever words you like. We chose a word used by traditional Cornish-speakers.
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goky Posted: 26.03.2008, 14:05

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Yes, but they are not alive now.


Blog Gokki,(Gokky's Blog)Skodhyewgh An Furv Skrifys Savonek !
Kernewek rag an Gour Gwir updated.
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shrdlu Posted: 26.03.2008, 14:05

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Furv ha form o usyes yn termyn eus passyes. Prag na dhiyskynnydh dhiworth dha vargh hir?



edited by: shrdlu, Mar 26, 2008 - 02:11 PM
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marhak Posted: 26.03.2008, 16:07

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No, Evertype is Michael. *I'M* the one on the tall horse!
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Nosdan Posted: 26.03.2008, 16:29

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Evertype.... The text are our only source of actual Cornish use yes... But that should not limit your vocabulary to exactly what is on the scripts. Besides the scripts, by all accounts, most likely account for very small segment of actual spoken Cornish. If it was used once in a script i bet it was used a thousand times by common speakers. Furv/f is well documented now... and as you know languages evolve and develop and this re-introduction is an obvious one.

Mar vedhow avel gelvinek
(as maazed as a curlew)
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shrdlu Posted: 26.03.2008, 16:58

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Nosdan, if furv/furf is in the texts then we know it was used*, so it can't be a reintroduction!

* Well, at least we know it was used by the author(s). We just don't know how many of the English words in the plays were fully assimilated into the Cornish of the time, and how many were just dropped into the plays by the authors because they scanned or because they felt like it.
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