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SWF, For or against

Peller Posted: 26.02.2008, 21:25



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Although I can't see myself using the main forms at all.

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CJenkin Posted: 27.02.2008, 12:48



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Prefer to have KK as SWF but will accept a compromise solution.

Why? Politically an agreement will allow for all of us to progress Cornish in Public Life and education at the moment we face a brick wall.

The council that I am a member of will not consider using Cornish on its signage until we have an agreed form neither will the LEA give support to educational organisations with out a SWF. It is essential that it is achieved otherwise the UK govt will have all the reasons it needs not to fund Cornish properly in the future.
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Mike Posted: 27.02.2008, 13:24

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I would prefer KK to be the main form but OK with a compromise as long as a fair number of KK features are retained.The advantages of having a SWF outweigh the disadvantages of a compromise (hybrid).
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shrdlu Posted: 27.02.2008, 13:46

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My a wra skoedhya furv veur an SWF mes na'n furvow erell.
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Egloshal Posted: 27.02.2008, 14:55

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ok... drefenn nag o es kavoes ow messaj a-dro dhe'n destenn ma, y'n daslavarav omma.

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Byttegyns... gwell via genev usya KK a-vel an furv veur.

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krezhakara Posted: 27.02.2008, 17:37

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My a wra skoedhya an SWF yn tien. Mes my a dyb y fydh re lies owth usya lytherennansow erell oll adro. Y fydh completh hwath rag dallethoryon; y fydh res hwath dhe dhisplegya an furvow a-ji dhe'n SWF, keffrys an furvow yn sur a vydh a-ves... hen yw kudynn hwath...
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shrdlu Posted: 27.02.2008, 20:57

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Henn yw kudynn yn hwir - lemmyn yma UC, UCR, KK, KS, KD, RLC, SWF-KK, SWF-UC ha SWF-RLC. Mar pe pubonan owth usya furvow an SWF hepken y'n termyn a dheu, ni res eth dhiworth teyr furv veur (KK, UC(R), RLC) dhe deyr furv nowydh (SWF-KK, SWF-UC, SWF-RLC), hag yth eson felsys hwath dell hevel dhymm!
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Bardh Posted: 27.02.2008, 23:20

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Ydh yzon ni oll ow' skullya agan termynn ha'gan nell, a-ban na'wrug Nynja ha' Myghal Vap Bynytha grontya dhyn lytherennanz a'n zyveus aga c'hymmyaz i. After all, MN has reminded us ex cathedra that there is no agreement and, consequently, no SWF.
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krezhakara Posted: 28.02.2008, 12:45

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Yn hwir? Ny redyas travydh gans M po N a lever hedna...?
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TheElvenLord Posted: 28.02.2008, 18:23

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I have done research into the various old forms, and to be honest, i wouldnt mind using them.

But i do want to say this

In Janners book it said that all of the old records use different spellings, and even different spellings within the same text.

How can you base a system on that??

Lets step back here and look at the pros and Cons of Authentic vs Modern

Authentic

Pros

The Old spelling of Cornish
Has accents to mark Intonation of the word
Quite phonetic spelling

Cons

Has accents (cant write plaintext)
Considered Old

Modern

Pros

Is plaintext, so easily writable on a PC
Its very phonetic
Its up to date
Uses K for hard C and S for soft C, so it does not lead to confusion.
Looks modern

Cons

Completly made up system
No authenticity in the spellings
No accents, therefore you have to guess at intonation.


I think that sums it up. If you want another thing added to any list, send me a PM, or if i have got somethign wrong, do the same

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Evertype Posted: 28.02.2008, 19:01

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TheElvenLordIn Janners book it said that all of the old records use different spellings, and even different spellings within the same text.

How can you base a system on that??
Through a process of normalization. Everybody does that, whether Nance or Williams or George or UdnFormScrefys.

QuoteLets step back here and look at the pros and Cons of Authentic vs Modern

Authentic

Pros

The Old spelling of Cornish
Has accents to mark Intonation of the word
KS uses diacritics to mark anomalous length and quality.
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Quite phonetic spelling
KS is, yes. UC and UCR were not phonetic systems, but rather orthographic normalizations alone.
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Cons

Has accents (cant write plaintext)
Millions of Europeans succeed to do so every day. And they are not their for their help. They are there to help you, the reader or writer, to be accurate.
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Considered Old
You mean, "Considered a proud part of our heritage."

QuoteModern

Pros

Is plaintext, so easily writable on a PC
We write Irish easily. And German and Spanish and Polish and Breton and French and on and on. You have to learn to use your computer, that's all.
QuoteIts very phonetic
They tell you that, do they?
QuoteIts up to date
It's out of date now.
QuoteUses K for hard C and S for soft C, so it does not lead to confusion.
Are you really confused by Kitten, Cat, Queen, and Cider?
QuoteLooks modern
Looks alien.

QuoteCons

Completly made up system
Pretty much.
QuoteNo authenticity in the spellings
Not a lot. And it's easy to achieve.
QuoteNo accents, therefore you have to guess at intonation.
Anomalous vowel length and quality is certainly a problem.


QuoteI think that sums it up. If you want another thing added to any list, send me a PM, or if i have got somethign wrong, do the same

TEL
Thanks for taking a fresh look.
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goky Posted: 28.02.2008, 19:05

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QuoteYou have to learn to use your computer, that's all.

Typical arrogant remark from Everson, if it is authentic then one should not have to learn to use a computer, is this guy for real.!


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Evertype Posted: 28.02.2008, 19:18

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Oh, grow up, you little weasel. French people have to learn how to use their computers. German people have to learn how to use their computers. Irish people have to learn how to use their computers. Welsh people have to learn how to use their computers (and they have font problems too).

There is nothing arrogant about telling a person that it is not difficult to use diacritical marks. All it takes is some learning. When I say to TheElvenLord, "You have to learn to use your computer, that's all", I mean that it isn't easy and that I am sure he is bright enough to manage it. Computers can do a lot of things. Most of us don't learn to use their capabilities till we need to.

And of course if one isn't using a computer, one can use a pencil, or a pen.

"Typical arrogant remark", yeah yeah. Every one of your remarks is typical too.
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P_Trembath Posted: 28.02.2008, 19:23

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Quote..............if it is authentic then one should not have to learn to use a computer............!


What have authenticity and computer use got to do each other.

Surly to be authentic, in any spelling system, one should have to use a pen/pencil, or even a quill, computers haven't been around long enough to be classed as "authentic"?



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goky Posted: 28.02.2008, 20:02

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