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SWF, For or against

Evertype Posted: 28.02.2008, 20:07

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Death to Zeon, death to Zeon. Yes, yes. We've all seen it. Thanks for sharing.



edited by: Evertype, Feb 28, 2008 - 08:08 PM
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Bardh Posted: 28.02.2008, 20:56

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krezhakaraYn hwir? Ny redyas travydh gans M po N a lever hedna...?


Yn le kyn y'fve y'leverys ev dh'un 'Mr. Reeves' na'dhaeth ann 'Argerdh' dhy benn c'hwath.
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goky Posted: 28.02.2008, 21:34

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Lowennan byghan.
http://keltack....-byghan.html


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Bardh Posted: 28.02.2008, 23:21

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Kreatur byc'han c'hweg ... p'rag y'n kyhavalheyth worth ty-a-woer?
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goky Posted: 29.02.2008, 00:16

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lowennan byghan, best yw an gwella oll gans Everson.

Quoteyou little weasel



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ThomasLeigh Posted: 29.02.2008, 20:32

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ThomasLeighI pronounced <o> and <oe> as /O/ and /o/ respectively, that is as cardinal vowels 6 and 7 in IPA

I think that you were right in this.
ThomasLeighThen, a couple of years ago, I was taught that <o> is actually closer to /o/ than /O/

Please tell us whence you got this idea. It does not seem right to me.

It was, IIRC, a couple of summers ago at the Pennseythun Amerikanek -- as part of the classes we had a detailed workshop on Cornish phonology & pronunciation (this was prior to the whole SWF thing, of course, so it was all KK) and this is what we were taught.

(PS Apologies for the late reply, I managed to come down with flu at the beginning of the week so I've been out of commission for a few days.)



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ThomasLeigh Posted: 29.02.2008, 20:39

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gokyEmperour Evermap, Diktator planet Kernowacky.
http://keltack.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/26/evermap.jpg

Why, Michael, I'd no idea you cleaned up so nicely! icon_lol

And Goky, you've got my vote for Official Entertainer of the Cornish Language Movement. Or at least Court Jester. Or something.
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shrdlu Posted: 29.02.2008, 21:16

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Lagha Godwin, hag yn marnas 5 folenn!
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Nosdan Posted: 29.02.2008, 22:31

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QuoteLagha Godwin


I would go along with that... *fingures crossed it shuts goky up for a while*

Mar vedhow avel gelvinek
(as maazed as a curlew)
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Eddie-C Posted: 29.02.2008, 22:40

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ThomasLeighAnd Goky, you've got my vote for Official Entertainer of the Cornish Language Movement. Or at least Court Jester. Or something.
Perhaps more fitting would be the honour of Cloaca Maxima Reviviscentis Cornubiensis.

As 'goky' is well known for sewing far and wide his seeds of wisdom, despite sewing many on stony ground, and sewing still more on thorny ground, what better title for him than the 'Greatest Sewer of the Cornish Revival'?

Those interested in the origins of this illustrious Roman phenomenon may find more details on Wikipedia at http://en.wikip...loaca_Maxima
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Kernowak y'n Udn Form Screfys?
Hep wow!
Kernewek Acordys? Mar plek!
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Bardh Posted: 29.02.2008, 23:31

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So the Authenticists have decided to veto the very thing that they raised Cain to impose on us.

These prompts two questions:

1) Will their presiding duo, despite their boorish manner and conduct, manage to blag their way into the next AHG conclave?

2) If not, will they gatecrash the meeting anyway?





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goky Posted: 29.02.2008, 23:33

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Quotebrassa bibenn-garth an dasvywnans Kernewek,

Oh stop it Eddie, my sides are splitting with laughter.


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Nothlenn Posted: 01.03.2008, 00:18

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QuoteAs 'goky' is well known for sewing far and wide his seeds of wisdom, despite sewing many on stony ground, and sewing still more on thorny ground, what better title for him than the 'Greatest Sewer of the Cornish Revival'?


Drog yw genev y dhiskwedhes dhis, Eddy, mes dha wari geryow a fyll drefenn bos anewn dha lytherennans a 'sew' y'n kas ma. Y skrifir 'sow seeds' na 'sew seeds' poken y fydh res gul devnydh a naswydh rag y wul! icon_eek Mes gwell yw dha Latin! icon_razz
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Eddie-C Posted: 01.03.2008, 09:35

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sow = gonys
sow = hogh
sew = gwyras
so = mar, del, yndella
soh = an 5es nota y'n scul ylow
sough = hanajen, whystra
. . .
Nyns yeth yu hem, saw hansel ky!
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Kernowak y'n Udn Form Screfys?
Hep wow!
Kernewek Acordys? Mar plek!
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pdunbar Posted: 01.03.2008, 15:41



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Nyns yeth yu hem, saw hansel ky!
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Comment

(a) Eddie claims to have been studying Cornish for 'more than six months'. He has been giving this list the negative benefit of his highly opinionated views of the language for about that time.

(b) 'Nyns yeth yu hem' (sic, above) is incorrect and Cornish of this standard would produce a 'fail' at Language Board Grade One examination (if what was intended was the Cornish for 'This is not a language' it should have been 'Nyns yu hemma yeth' in UC or 'Nyns yw hemma yeth' in KK). His other postings in Cornish contain similar 'beginners mistakes', testifying to his lack of ability in Cornish.

(c) Eddie has been vociferous and detailed in his arguments against Kernewek Kemmyn, has attacked the Cornish Language Board with unfounded accusations and has opined that Ken George 'is not a linguist' etc. etc.

(d) All available evidence appears to show that Eddie's case is by no means unique among the ant-Kernewek Kemmyn factions. Further, it is evident that many anti-Kernewek Kemmyn activists are even less competent at Cornish than he is, including some with the most strident and persistent arguments.

(e) The most highly qualified and experienced Cornish speakers and users, with very few exceptions, use Kernewek Kemmyn and have views diametrically opposed to Eddie's vis a vis Kernewek Kemmyn, the Cornish Language Board and Ken George's abilities as a linguist.

People might well like to ask themselves how many of those who oppose Kernewek Kemmyn are as ill-qualified as Eddie to voice an opinion about the language.

Who am I to criticise Eddy?

I have been a fluent speaker and user of Cornish for a couple of decades and, in addition to all the Cornish Language Board exams also have the Institute of Linguists Grade Five examination in Cornish. I have served on the Language Board for most of that time as well as many years on the Council of the Language Fellowship. I taught Cornish for many years and attended countless language events. Since 2000 I have been promoting the language and Cornish history, identity and politics 'in the High Street' via Gwynn ha Du in Liskeard, having left the more lucrative business of marine surveying in order to do so.

My opinion, based on my experience and what hard evidence is available, is that most of those who oppose Kernewek Kemmyn (and who want to sideline KK and the Cornish Language Board) know as little about the language as Eddie.

For instance, membership lists of anti-KK bodies contain the names of numerous individuals known to have little or no competence in the language. Some are academics who, while not being remotely qualified in linguistics, use their status to fool members of the public into thinking that their views are reasonable.

In a sentence - the language revival is in danger of being severely damaged by interference from non-Cornish speakers and unqualified pundits, some of whom have demonstrably malicious intentions.

If anyone thinks that a SWF will end the attempt by non-Cornish speakers to dominate the language revival and thus destroy it they are, in my opinion, fooling themselves. It is clear from the evidence here and elsewhere that Agan Tavas are using the SWF as a stalking horse and intend to continue their war of attrition into the forseeable future, to the detriment of the language.

One hardly needs to observe that undermining the language revival would suit the British Government very well indeed.

- Pawl
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