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SWF, For or against

ThomasLeigh Posted: 01.03.2008, 16:27

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goky Posted: 01.03.2008, 16:31

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goky Posted: 01.03.2008, 16:34

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Eddie-C Posted: 01.03.2008, 16:52

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Mike Posted: 01.03.2008, 17:14

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(a) Eddie claims to have been studying Cornish for 'more than six months'. He has been giving this list the negative benefit of his highly opinionated views of the language for about that time.

(b) 'Nyns yeth yu hem' (sic, above) is incorrect and Cornish of this standard would produce a 'fail' at Language Board Grade One examination (if what was intended was the Cornish for 'This is not a language' it should have been 'Nyns yu hemma yeth' in UC or 'Nyns yw hemma yeth' in KK). His other postings in Cornish contain similar 'beginners mistakes', testifying to his lack of ability in Cornish.

(c) Eddie has been vociferous and detailed in his arguments against Kernewek Kemmyn, has attacked the Cornish Language Board with unfounded accusations and has opined that Ken George 'is not a linguist' etc. etc.

(d) All available evidence appears to show that Eddie's case is by no means unique among the ant-Kernewek Kemmyn factions. Further, it is evident that many anti-Kernewek Kemmyn activists are even less competent at Cornish than he is, including some with the most strident and persistent arguments.

(e) The most highly qualified and experienced Cornish speakers and users, with very few exceptions, use Kernewek Kemmyn and have views diametrically opposed to Eddie's vis a vis Kernewek Kemmyn, the Cornish Language Board and Ken George's abilities as a linguist.

People might well like to ask themselves how many of those who oppose Kernewek Kemmyn are as ill-qualified as Eddie to voice an opinion about the language.

Who am I to criticise Eddy?

I have been a fluent speaker and user of Cornish for a couple of decades and, in addition to all the Cornish Language Board exams also have the Institute of Linguists Grade Five examination in Cornish. I have served on the Language Board for most of that time as well as many years on the Council of the Language Fellowship. I taught Cornish for many years and attended countless language events. Since 2000 I have been promoting the language and Cornish history, identity and politics 'in the High Street' via Gwynn ha Du in Liskeard, having left the more lucrative business of marine surveying in order to do so.

My opinion, based on my experience and what hard evidence is available, is that most of those who oppose Kernewek Kemmyn (and who want to sideline KK and the Cornish Language Board) know as little about the language as Eddie.

For instance, membership lists of anti-KK bodies contain the names of numerous individuals known to have little or no competence in the language. Some are academics who, while not being remotely qualified in linguistics, use their status to fool members of the public into thinking that their views are reasonable.

In a sentence - the language revival is in danger of being severely damaged by interference from non-Cornish speakers and unqualified pundits, some of whom have demonstrably malicious intentions.

If anyone thinks that a SWF will end the attempt by non-Cornish speakers to dominate the language revival and thus destroy it they are, in my opinion, fooling themselves. It is clear from the evidence here and elsewhere that Agan Tavas are using the SWF as a stalking horse and intend to continue their war of attrition into the forseeable future, to the detriment of the language.

One hardly needs to observe that undermining the language revival would suit the British Government very well indeed.

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pdunbar Posted: 04.03.2008, 16:56



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TheElvenLord Posted: 04.03.2008, 17:12

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Yeh, Kernow yw hemma or Kernow yu hema.. how did you make that?

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pdunbar Posted: 04.03.2008, 18:35



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TheElvenLordYeh, Kernow yw hemma or Kernow yu hema.. how did you make that?

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I take it that you are referring to the caption on Thomas Leigh's great piece of graphics.

Hemm yw Kernow is fine (yu if yu must) but it should definitely be a double m.

Putting the 'hemm' first is like saying THIS is Cornwall.

Kernow yw hemma is like saying CORNWALL is this (literal translation, but a statement, not a question) or CORNWALL this is (in more usual English word order).

In Cornish one can alter the emphasis by altering the word order - placing what you want to emphasise at the start of the sentence.

ASD Smith (Caradar) in Cornish Simplified and Wella Brown in The Grammar of Modern Cornish are both worth reading on this.

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marhak Posted: 04.03.2008, 22:54

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goky Posted: 04.03.2008, 23:46

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Cawsando Posted: 05.03.2008, 12:10

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Do you seriously think that if you continue this debate and don't all agree to use SWF that you will manage to get Cornish in schools?

That's the only way it will survive, and in how many schools is it in now?

Think of the greater good will you please, join together for St Piran's.

It would be good for Kernow's best brains to get together to brainstorm effective ways to bring the cornish population together, to capture the imagination of those who live here and see themselves as SAWSNEK!!!

That is really something worth debating!
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goky Posted: 05.03.2008, 13:51

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SAWSNEK heaven forbid!, time for some ethnic cleansing.


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Evertype Posted: 06.03.2008, 01:18

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TheElvenLord Posted: 06.03.2008, 16:54

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See ourselves as English, never

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goky Posted: 06.03.2008, 17:35

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