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jezza Posted: 20.08.2008, 10:19



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pinkpasty Posted: 20.08.2008, 12:12

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Oh please do not call this Cornwall pride, a 'gay pride'

...it is very clear the organisers have gone to great & considerable lengths from the outset NOT to call it a gay pride. Whether this is out of closeted shame or appeasement to organisations in Cornwall like Cornwall County Council or Cornwall police, which have ALWAYS traditionally been homophobic in Cornwall.

This Cornwall pride clearly is promoted by the organisers as a pink & fluffy 'diversity' pride, NOT a gay pride!.

It has also been made very clear (even on this thread by 'iloveheston') and on other threads by Jen, a Cornwall pride promoter, that some gay men, (& gay women & gay youth) who HAVE & DO actively campaign for real gay equality ARE NOT WELCOME at this Cornwall pride event!

So please, please do not call it a gay pride...gay PRIDE is and has always had its roots in gay political emancipation & equality, fighting for lesbian & gay rights & equality in law in the face of homophobc obstruction, just like that homophobic prejudice exhibited by Cornwall County Council & Cornwall police over decades...and not in the appologetic pink & fluffy pink pound hungry, appeasement to homophobes in Cornwall's traditionally homophobic institutions, who are now desperately trying to appear on the surface as 'gay friendly' to conform with equality law, but whilst in reality STILL not treating gay peple, like Cornish gay youth Peter Midwood, (watch his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr7eGX-Rux0 ) with honesty & fairness.

The organisers of this Cornwall 'diversity' event REMOVED information from their forum about the institutional abuse this Cornish gay youth suffered from the VILE homophobic Cornwall police & Cornwall County Council...hardly the act of a real gay PRIDE on the part of a gay supportive organisation.

So, NO this is NOT by definition, a gay PRIDE, but even according to the organisers it is a Cornwall 'diversity' event!



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ilovehelston Posted: 20.08.2008, 12:59



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please do not call this Cornwall pride, a 'gay pride'

It is a gay pride seeing as the organiser says it is.
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IrishJack Posted: 20.08.2008, 13:15

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Pasty, in your opinion are cornwall police and cornwall CC anymore homophobic than devon police and devon CC? Or is the problem in cornwall one that is similar to areas across the UK (and Europe) outside of major urban centres?

Homophobia is wrong and the police should ensure that all people are treated equally, however, it is clear that the police do not do this, see also treatment of cornish nationalists, environmental campiagners (kingsnorth), brazilian electricians, etc, etc



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Tiocfaidh ar La,
But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions and backbiting

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ilovehelston Posted: 20.08.2008, 14:15



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Pasty, in your opinion are cornwall police and cornwall CC anymore homophobic than devon police and devon CC? Or is the problem in cornwall one that is similar to areas across the UK (and Europe) outside of major urban centres?

Remember this is based on one case of one individual who has been expelled from school

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IrishJack Posted: 20.08.2008, 14:28

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irishjackPasty, in your opinion are cornwall police and cornwall CC anymore homophobic than devon police and devon CC? Or is the problem in cornwall one that is similar to areas across the UK (and Europe) outside of major urban centres?


ilovemyselftomuchandtooftenRemember this is based on one case of one individual who has been expelled from school


Pffffffffttttttttt, OMG, Orsehole,

I was asking a generalised question about homophobia in officialdom in britain, rather than about a specific case.




edited by: IrishJack, Aug 20, 2008 - 02:28 PM

Tiocfaidh ar La,
But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions and backbiting

The Bureaucracy needs to expand to meet the needs of the Bureaucracy

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ilovehelston Posted: 20.08.2008, 16:07



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was asking a generalised question about homophobia in officialdom in britain,

is as widespread as homophobia outside officialdom

whatever officialdom means!
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IrishJack Posted: 20.08.2008, 16:09

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irishjack was asking a generalised question about homophobia in officialdom in britain


ilovemyselftomuchandtooften
whatever officialdom means!


OMG WHATEVER, tell it to the hand.

PS Using the phucking quote system



edited by: IrishJack, Aug 20, 2008 - 04:11 PM

Tiocfaidh ar La,
But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions and backbiting

The Bureaucracy needs to expand to meet the needs of the Bureaucracy

http://www.ross...ollkelly.ie/
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ilovehelston Posted: 20.08.2008, 16:14



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Well, what is officialdom?
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IrishJack Posted: 20.08.2008, 16:23

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ilovemyselftomuchandtooftenWell, what is officialdom?


Idiot, phuck off,

I have asked the Pink one a question and I am intersted in his answer, not your puerile twaddle.





edited by: IrishJack, Aug 20, 2008 - 04:23 PM

Tiocfaidh ar La,
But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions and backbiting

The Bureaucracy needs to expand to meet the needs of the Bureaucracy

http://www.ross...ollkelly.ie/
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pinkpasty Posted: 20.08.2008, 16:48

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Yes, without question Cornwall police are by reputation worse than Devon. Likewise Cornwall County Council to their counter part in Plymouth city council anyway.

Actually, 'ilovetostickmyheadinthesand-helston' it is based on information once given to me at an lgbt meeting in Exeter attended by various LGBT organisations and with members of the Intercom Trust and not so long ago & also it based upon numerous personal experience & observation of a widespread failing within the Cornwall police force specifically. (Even an admission of failing by the Devon & Cornwall senior diversity officer following the TWO IPCC enquiries)

I could list numerous situations & cases of homophobic incidents & police failing un-investigated including just about every major town in Cornwall.

Unfortunately, just as only 1 in 4 homophobic incidents get reported nationally (Stonewall 2008 research into homophobic hate crime in Britain). There is a genuine & understandable reluctance by those lgbt persons who inform me of incidents in Cornwall to go public...given the attitude of Cornwall police to TARGET gay people who DO report homophohbic incidents, as I have personally experienced from one police sgt from Helston, Cornwall, one can understand why so little gets known about or reported to police.

I was at the time informed by Intercom that there was a problem with police BCU at Truro (Basic Command Unit) which was effectively acting as a maverick in relation to actively progressing equality & diversity issues for LGBT persons.

I personaly happen to know there is a REAL homophobic problem at both Camborne & Helston police stations...and yet the ONE (and only) positive interaction was with ONE local community officer from Helston...sadly the exception rather than the rule!

Devon however has had some considerable success & huge amounts of praise were positively heaped by the local gay community upon the Plymouth diversity officer recently, prior to their being moved on.

However Cornwall has a l-o-n-g history of police activity against gay persons and some of these coppers are still probably in post or their zealot prodigy are. I recently found reference to the longest anti-gay police operation in British history being conducted in Cornwall under a well known & documented anti-gay chief constable, before he moved on.

Then there was the Treluswell debacle, where police used entrapemnent techniques which the Home Office had condemned years previously. The brutal Trerrence Sweet murder in Plymouth, and the other assaults upon gay men in/from Cornwall at the time and the hostility of the police towards the local lgbt population. And there was another police ***** up of a gay murder?/manslaughter near Newquay, I conducted & officiated the funeral. I myself when editor of the ICT publication in 1992, tried to set up a Cornwall police LGBT liaison. The meeting I had at Camborne was blatantly homophobically abusive on the part of the police, (no change there then) I walked out.

I could go on and on (and there are plenty who think I already do, lol) listing incidents in Cornwall.

So YES, this is a problem in Cornwall, (being brushed under the carpet) primarily I believe, due to the lack of visiblity & support by Cornish institutions for gay people over a long time. There is also the tendancy for LGBT persons in Cornwall in general to keep their heads down & mouths shut, as there can be a lack of anonimity if one speaks out, rapidly followed by prejuicial actions to those who do put their head over the parapet.

I know this to my cost from the sheer volume of police intimidation, threats & violation of my life that I recieve as a gay person living in Cornwall.

Tony Leamon, the Cornish campaigner will need to watch his back if my personal experience as a gay man in Cornwall targeted by the police is anything to go by...they (police) will continue their vendetta against him at the earliest opportunity.



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ilovehelston Posted: 20.08.2008, 17:34



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ilovemyselftomuchandtooftenWell, what is officialdom?


Idiot, phuck off,

I have asked the Pink one a question and I am intersted in his answer, not your puerile twaddle.

edited by: IrishJack, Aug 20, 2008 - 04:23 PM


It is a simple question
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cornishrebel2 Posted: 20.08.2008, 17:57

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Good luck with him lads ilovemyselftomuchandtooften must of lost his barain somwhere or something banged it and fell out
why dont you try and look it up in the dictonary its that simple



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pinkpasty Posted: 20.08.2008, 18:20

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A number of people have been in touch regarding this BBC article, them being convinced my 'relentless' gay equality campaign is having an impact:-

"Police to fly flag at festival"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7573076.stm

However, some other lesbians & gay people feel that it is the 'kiss of death'.

Either way, I won't know until after the event as it has been made most clear, both on here (by 'ilovehelston') and on other websites, along with a refusal by the Cornwall pride organisers to communicate with some lesbian & gay people, that myself & other gay men & lesbians who have fought for gay equality are simply NOT WELCOME at this institutional & contived Cornwall 'diversity' event.

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pinkpasty Posted: 20.08.2008, 19:00

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ilovehelstonplease do not call this Cornwall pride, a 'gay pride'

It is a gay pride seeing as the organiser says it is.


This is the official (below) Cornwall Pride blurb, nowhere does it say it is a gay pride event. In previous quotes it was described as a 'diversity' event, NOT a gay pride event.

"Cornwall’s first ever Cornwall Pride Festival took its first steps to becoming a reality this week, when on Monday 11th the Pride 2008 Committee met for the first time. The committee will be responsible for planning and carrying out the diversity festival this year.
Saturday 23rd August was chosen as the date for the event and preparations are already under way to make sure it is an event that all people in Cornwall can be proud of – from whatever background or lifestyle.

After the first meeting, the newly-elected Chairman Christian Diamant said “The idea of Pride is to be an all inclusive celebration of diversity in Cornwall. Everyone will be welcome to participate in the parade through Truro and then onto celebrations afterwards.”
The Pride event will be similar to other events throughout the country and should be an opportunity for local business to benefit from a significant group of people from across the country.

Christian Diamant went on to say “At its most basic what Cornwall Pride is celebrating is the fact that Cornwall is a better place because not everyone is white, not everyone is straight and that Cornwall would be a worse place if we were all the same! Hopefully, the event will be enjoyable for both locals and holiday makers who are visiting our County.”


Seeing as 'ilovehelston' has according to him, by his own admission on this webforum, been informed by the organiser of Cornwall pride, that myself as a gay equality campaigner for twenty years (and other gay men, gay women & gay youth by proxy) are NOT WELCOME...coupled with a reluctance to say it is a real 'gay pride', I can't see that it is a gay pride, given the history of gay pride nationally & internationally.

This is a pink & fluffy diversity event, NOT a gay pride event. A real gay pride event would be proud of our gay/lesbian history in Cornwall and have its feet firmly in the his/herstory tradition of Gay pride, gay emancipation & the struggle for gay rights.






edited by: pinkpasty, Aug 20, 2008 - 07:01 PM

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