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Palores Posted: 11.03.2008, 10:54



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Marhak why support Kemmyn? Its flaws, based upon a mistaken phonology and faulty database, are well known but have never been addressed (at least since the initial tj/dj disaster)


Marhak has been misled here by propaganda.
Kernewek Kemmyn is not based upon a database, faulty or otherwise.
He may not appreciate that every criticism of KK is taken seriously, and examined carefully.
It is important to the developers (plural) of KK that it be the best orthography available.
So if any criticisms are found to be substantiated, then steps are taken to correct errors.
These usually concern the misspelling of a few individual words.
Occasionally structural faults come to light and these are also corrected.
As a (now rather old) example, Marhak mentioned the matter of tj/dj.
More recently, Keith Bailey drew attention to the existence of the /yw/ phoneme.
I understand that the Language Board recently agreed that words containing it be spelled with <uw>.
Williams has identified what he claims are other structural faults.
These claims of alleged flaws have similarly been scrutinised. None has been found to be valid. The phonology is not mistaken.
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goky Posted: 11.03.2008, 11:54

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QuoteI have news for him. Cornish is not Welsh. Cornish is not Breton

Modern Standard Cornish is not English either or the Cornglish of Treagar,or certain other forms of revived Cornish.



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pdunbar Posted: 11.03.2008, 14:58



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And anyway, surely you meant 'lashup'?

Or do you have a lisp?

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 12.03.2008, 17:26

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QuoteFulub, as the Cornish Democrat, shouldn't you support.....


blah blah blah..... Really don't get it do you?
edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Mar 10, 2008 - 06:41 PM


The Kernewek language is the only real thing that sets Cornwall apart from other parts of the UK and so is pretty fundamental to any Cornish cause. I would find it incredibly easy to argue that other topics are not too dissimilar in Cornwall, especially many that you discuss Fulub.

As a consequence the language is very important and the experts should be allowed to discuss it freely. That everyone can defend their point is democracy. Otherwise we will end up with a meaningless hybrid and be subject to ridicule. The form of language chosen should be self-consistent and not a mixture. If this is achieved, it does not matter what 'mudhook' and the like think as the expertise is above them.


Yes the 'experts' should be allowed to discuss it freely but what they should refrain from doing is having childish slanging matches on a public internet forum which just make everyone look silly.

As for Pawls remarks about my views on democracy and majority rule. Pawl surely a democracy must listen to and protect its minorities as well?

You know with the Celtic Devonshire / Devonwall movement being so quiet at the momment I wonder if they haven't actually invested the Cornish language scene in order to cause disent and disagreement.

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Mike Posted: 12.03.2008, 17:49

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QuoteYou know with the Celtic Devonshire / Devonwall movement being so quiet at the momment I wonder if they haven't actually invested the Cornish language scene in order to cause disent and disagreement.


No, they were just beaten by the arguments. To continue would have made them look sillier and sillier.
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Mike Posted: 12.03.2008, 18:46

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There's been no response from AT on the i and y controversy talked about in this thread!
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morvran Posted: 12.03.2008, 20:30

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When you come up with a good answer, they never admit defeat. The just go quiet for a while, then start up again as if nothing had happened. The temptation is to begin explaining whatever it was all over again. But it's pointless really, as much use as talking to a brick wall.

The other day I found a list of their claims from a couple of years ago. Most of them have been refuted several times over but they're still coming out with them. You know, "rigged meeting", "faulty secret database", "magic algorithym", "one man & a computer", "not qualified", "Kesva strong-arm tactics", "all just theory", "sustained criticism", "no academic support", "we're all arrogant", "nobody uses it anyway (unless they've been forced to)", "copied from Breton (or Welsh)", "trad. texts not written like English", on and on, and the same for a whole list of technical linguistic points which I won't bore you with here.

All bullshite, but they won't be told. I'm fed up of refuting all this over and over, I need to spend more time with my language icon_wink

Don't believe a word of it -- "Empty vessels make most sound".
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goky Posted: 12.03.2008, 20:45

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Quote-- "Empty vessels make most sound".

That explains Eddie.


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Mike Posted: 13.03.2008, 15:21

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MikeThere's been no response from AT on the i and y controversy talked about in this thread!


Still awaiting a response to this technical point.
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Egloshal Posted: 13.03.2008, 15:35

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Yw Eddie yn fyw hwath? Ny welis vy postyans dhiworto a-gynsow!

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goky Posted: 13.03.2008, 19:54

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QuoteYw Eddie yn fyw hwath? Ny welis vy postyans dhiworto a-gynsow!


Ev a worta dannvonadow a y ledyer po mester.


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