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What qualifies as being Cornish?

Mike Posted: 01.04.2008, 11:39

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QuoteI think we all know who the most famous Galician is.


Someone very dear to you, no doubt icon_rolleyes
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TGG Posted: 01.04.2008, 13:18

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ilovehelston - Posted: 01.04.2008, 10:22NO real Cornish history
That would include the Norman Conquest, wouldnt it?

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

TGG For The (Real)Reason Why!



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The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within this island.
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alexandre Posted: 01.04.2008, 16:05

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Dydh da!

thanks for your welcome messages

Iīm very very surprised to know as cornish people to know Galicia, Galicia is really a small and poor country in a forgoten corner of Europe, and for me is incredible to see people know it, and galician words besides.

However, Iīm not sure to know who is the most famous galician..(?), I have a lot of names in my mind, I havenīt idea who can be...who are you knowing about?
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TheElvenLord Posted: 01.04.2008, 18:06

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Dydh da dhis ynwedh (Hello to you too/also)

Quotereally a small and poor country in a forgoten corner of Europe


Hmm, that reminds me of something, but i dont know what icon_lol .

QuoteI havenīt idea who can be...who are you knowing about?


Just a quick note alex, you would say "Thinking about" or "Talking about".

I think General Franco perhaps? He was born in Galicia.
And being the troll he is, it probably is.

TEL



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Mike Posted: 01.04.2008, 19:26

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Hello Alexandre,

I have visited and worked in Galicia several times. I'm familiar with Northern Galicia - from Ribadeo, San Ciprian, Ferrol, A Coruna to Santiago de C and inland to Lugo. I really like the place - seafood, wine, scenery. It has a Celtic feel to it - stone walls in the fields and a different architecture to the rest of Iberia. What part do you live in?
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alexandre Posted: 01.04.2008, 19:26

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Yes TEL, definitely Galicia and Kernow have a lot of points in common.

Thanks for your correction, I wanted say "thinking about". Yes, General Franco was born in Galicia, and he was galician of course, by the way his house is very near to my town.

Franco represents perfectly the efects that folk people suffer in a country (Galicia) with "two" cultures, in one hand a native culture and in other hand a impossed culture. Franco was born in a farmer house very poor, in the middle of galician rural. All his family spoke galician, and when he was boy too, his surnames was galician too.

Paradoxically, he banned any expression of Galician culture, the use of the galician and his writing. He ordered to assassinate and banish Galician nationalists and never defended the interests of Galicia. Why a galician would do all this against their land, against their language against his people?, The answer is "self-hatred", and the negation of his own identity, Franco was a monster created by Spain, a Spain that does not accept another culture that the Spanish, that mocks of a language other than Spanish, and that discriminates against those who are not inclined, is the sad story of a man who shame until his death of their identity and of their own origin.

By the way, Do you know that the Fidel Castro father was galician?, I have a long list of famous with galician origin. icon_wink

i hope my English was correct!

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marhak Posted: 01.04.2008, 20:25

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Is there anything left of Galicia's Celtic language?
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Wolfgang Posted: 02.04.2008, 20:01



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I am new here - not living in Cornwall, but in Starnberg. However, I have often in Cornwall bee. I look here sometimes. May I say that Celtic peoples lived all over once - including here in Bavaria. Galicia - we say Galizien - is the name of a place not only in Spain but also once in what is now Turkey. Celtic language did there not die for a long time - even after the Turks came - thanks to the inaccessibilities of the geography. I find this interesting.

May I also say that, as an onlooker, it is sad that so many arguments take place over the form of the Cornish language.

Best wishes from far away

Wolfgang
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ilovehelston Posted: 02.04.2008, 20:15



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Why do you think Franco banned Galician culture? why is Galicia one of the few regions in Spain to vote PP?
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Gazanfer Posted: 02.04.2008, 20:54



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First time - Ilk defa - for me too to write. I was in Cornwall first time 1975. To my German friend here - Ich kann nur hoffen, dass Sie nich damit sagen wollen, dass wir irgendwie diese Galizische Sprache ausgerottet haben! Eine Schande so was zu behaupten!!

Galician language in Turkey disappear many centuries ago. I was short time doctor in London and visit Cornwall. Very beautiful - take care! Like German man, I too visit here time to time. I look, but I see his word.

Iyi aksamlar

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marhak Posted: 02.04.2008, 21:23

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Ah, we refer to the Turkish place as Galatia.

Many places etc. associated with Celtic peoples in the past (and, sometimes, present, too) include the Indo-European word for Celt: gal/wal. Hence GALatia, GALicia, Gaul, PortuGAL, WALes, CornWALL, Gaelic, WALloon, WALlachia (Dracula country), etc.

This word, familiar all over ancient Europe, was adopted by the proto-English Anglo-Saxons as wealh, pl. wealas, which properly meant "Celtic speaking person", not "foreigner", as it is often translated. They only ever applied it to the Celtic speaking Britons (who were here long before they ever were), and called the Cornish the West Wealas.





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alexandre Posted: 03.04.2008, 13:28

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Dydh da

For marhak:

Thank you for your question about Galicia, itīs for me a pleasure to try answer it.Iīll try to answer you

“is there anything left of Galicia's Celtic language?”

Obviously. Galician despite being a romance language (as it derives more from medieval Latin) contains many terms inherited from our previous language, many everyday words and place names especially, mountains, rivers, etc. Iīm not an expert linguist, but I know some words like: "cadeira" (chair), "croio" (stone), "bidueiro" (birch), "beizo" (lip), "Lama" (mud), "lousa" (flagstone) "basoira" (broom), "dorna" (boat), etc.. Also the name of the country, Galiza (Galicia) is celtic name, and our own name “Galego” (galician) too.
But are place names where it is most curious and where we have hundreds of names such as Carnota, Donon, Lentobre, Nemenzo, Cambados, Marbán, Lubre, Coruna, Taramuno, Cambre, Lugo, Dubra, Broz, Nemenzo, Trevonzos, Pambre, etc. The rivers and mountains also, curiously we too have a river named Tamar (Tamara / Tambre)!

Anyway the study of ancient Celtic language in Galicia is extremely difficult, mainly because unfortunelly we donīt know when they stopped talking, and neither have her written testimony. Even the first texts of Galician (romance) are late in the twelfth century, at that time the galician was a cult language that was developed mainly in the cities and was the language of kings and noblemen largely motivated by the contact of the Pilgrims and noblemen who came to Galicia, mainly from the south of France, to Santiago de Compostela.

There are three points that make it more difficult to study the ancient celtic language of Galicia:

Ancient Galician wasnīt a language derived from the Irish Gaelic as the Manx or Scottish Gaelic, nor was a language born in Britain (such as Cornish, Welsh and Breton), this makes it more difficult his study, since not many can compare our own words with other Celtic languages for knowing their origin.
Missing documents, we only have the oral testimony of our long and toponimico words for the former Celtic tongue.
Precisely all the Medieval documents of Galicia are in Madrid because in the last century all the incredible written documentation of the Galician monasteries was despoliated and taken to Madrid. For years Galicia demanding all documents vital to our history, and the government of Spain refuses to it.

Excuse me my English.

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alexandre Posted: 03.04.2008, 16:45

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Now, I answer to ilovehelston,

You said "Why do you think Franco banned Galician culture?".

Well, I suppose that a person as Franco who banned to write documents in galician, learning the galician, banned the national anthem and the flag of Galicia, as well as shoot and banish the generation of intellectuals most important of Galicia and the denial of our history (something that still continues) hadnīt much love for his land...

The motto of the fascists and Franco was "Spain, one big and free" the Franco regime wanted one Spain, a Spain centralized, one language, one flag, one feeling, which is why banned all things that ran counter to that, murdering and torturing people who do not think so. That was the politic that led many politicians Spaniards, always for the greatness of Spain……


Why is Galicia one of the few regions in Spain to vote PP?

Well, it's true that Galicia voted for a few years mainly to PP, but that is not much different from other sites… for example in Navarra (part of the Basque Country) also PP is the absolute winner in Valencia and the Balearic Islands (part of the Catalan Countries).
I donīt know if you are actual-informed but the Galician Parliament isnīt ruled by the PP, is ruled by a coalition of parties, the PSG and BNG, Galician Socialists and Galician nationalists , and this is a great step to Galicia has one day a country itself.

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Gazanfer Posted: 03.04.2008, 19:28



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Marhak Bey

Teşekür ederim – Murasta why!

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marhak Posted: 03.04.2008, 19:35

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Da yw genam, Gazanfer!
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