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Nosdan	Posted: 05.04.2008, 12:39
registered: Sep. 2006 Posts: 1151 Status: offline last visit: 05.10.08	I was searching for a Cornish word for Varied. As required in the wanted list at http://kernewek...govel-geryow. I had a search through Rev. R Williams Dictionary. After aquick unsuccesful scan through for varied, I tried vary... And i hit this verb. Legria - To read, to vary, and to change... He gives pryce as the authority. Is this a verb thats slipped the net??? I cant find it in anyone elses dictionary. Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)


goky	Posted: 05.04.2008, 13:02
registered: May. 2007 Posts: 1678 Status: online	The other Williams gives 'treylya' 'chanjya' or 'varya' Blog Goky pyth yw 'Agan Tavas"?, Agan Tavas yw Eddie Climo. Agan Taves Worldwide, hunky Cornish speakers, klickeugh below Agan Taves Nowyth


Nosdan	Posted: 05.04.2008, 13:18
registered: Sep. 2006 Posts: 1151 Status: offline last visit: 05.10.08	Yes goky... I can read. I cant find Legria in anyone elses dictionary, not to change or vary. Does anyone know of the source of this verb? Williams gives his source as Pryce, does anyone have copies of Pryces' work? edited by: Nosdan, Apr 05, 2008 - 01:19 PM Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)


Nosdan	Posted: 05.04.2008, 13:19
registered: Sep. 2006 Posts: 1151 Status: offline last visit: 05.10.08	I wonder if its meaning to read, was ment as to read and edit? Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)


marhak	Posted: 05.04.2008, 15:13
registered: Jun. 2006 Posts: 3295 Status: online	It's in Richard Gendall's 1997 dictionary as: Legria v. to change, alter, develop, corrupt, deprave, deviate; ppp. legrias, legres/legries. He gives, as the source [EL] (Edward Lhuyd). He also has: legrias m. change, development, innovation [EL legriaz] Legria also appears in his 1992 source dictionary, under "corrupt". Again the source is Lhuyd. edited by: marhak, Apr 05, 2008 - 02:15 PM


Nosdan	Posted: 05.04.2008, 15:44
registered: Sep. 2006 Posts: 1151 Status: offline last visit: 05.10.08	Thankyou Marhak, I don't have his dictionary. Do you then think that an adjective could be formed for varied, from this verb. Perhaps using the past participle... I'm assuming Legriys? Further variance could be Legrians Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)


Palores	Posted: 05.04.2008, 16:42
registered: Apr. 2007 Posts: 281 Status: offline last visit: 09.10.08	Try looking up legras and legri in the on-line dictionary under test on this forum.


Eddie-C	Posted: 05.04.2008, 19:22
registered: Mar. 2007 Posts: 814 Status: online	If you look in Nance 1938, you'll find this entry: legry, vb. to corrupt, decompose : legria (Lhuyd), from Welsh 'llygru', cf. Breton 'linkra' to go stale Neil Kennedy's RLC 'Gerlevran' gives: change: trailia, chawnjya, defalebi, legria . . . while Nance 1955 gives: change: varya, chanjya, trelya, remuvya; dyheveleby, dyfeleby The Welsh 'Geiriadur Mawr' gives the following meanings for W. llygru (and its derivatives): corrupt, infect, contaminate, commit adultery All in all, it sounds as if the 'legr' root is a little too loaded for a simple meaning of 'changed'. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS: selven an Furf Screfys Savonek? -- Ya, hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!


Nosdan	Posted: 06.04.2008, 12:31
registered: Sep. 2006 Posts: 1151 Status: offline last visit: 05.10.08	ahhh.... perhaps it is too loaded. But still a useful verb I hadn't yet learnt. Thanks for the info guys. I have another verb I've found... Gorthrodhy ~ To appoint / to substitute. Anyone know more about this one? Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)


Eddie-C	Posted: 06.04.2008, 14:08
registered: Mar. 2007 Posts: 814 Status: online	Nosdan . . . I have another verb I've found... Gorthrodhy ~ To appoint / to substitute. Anyone know more about this one? Both Nance 1955 and Williams 2006 give gorthry, vb. to substitute, , while the latter gives 'gorthro' as the noun, presumably from: gorth- + -ry: against, contra- + to give Interestingly, Kennedy's 'Gerlevran' gives the RLC form 'gorthrodhi', which he appears to attribute to Lhuyd. But for 'give' he lists 'rei', not rodhi. K. 'ro' appears to be cognate with Welsh 'rhoi', which also takes the form 'rhoddi'. However, W. seems to lack such a word as gwrthroi or gwrthroddi. So, in summary, it looks like we have MC 'gorthry' and LC 'gorthrodhi' for 'substitute', with a hint that rodhi may once have existed as a doublet with 'ry' in Cornish (as it still does in Welsh). However, for 'appoint' I couldn't find any connection with this word, and only turned up UC/R appoynya, ordena; darbary, tacla; dyghtya, and RLC apoyntia, poyntia; orna (for the various meanings of the English word). edited by: Eddie-C, Apr 06, 2008 - 02:16 PM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KS: selven an Furf Screfys Savonek? -- Ya, hep wow! Kernewek Hengovek? -- Sur, nyns us nahen!


Nosdan	Posted: 06.04.2008, 14:38
registered: Sep. 2006 Posts: 1151 Status: offline last visit: 05.10.08	My thoughts exactly, I imagined it was gorth and a varient form of ro/ry. I too thought it was a bit of stretch to get to appoint. Does this mean that Gorthrodhyans / Gorthryans would do for substitution edited by: Nosdan, Apr 06, 2008 - 02:40 PM Mar vedhow avel gelvinek (as maazed as a curlew)


Panini	Posted: 01.05.2008, 15:07
registered: Jun. 2007 Posts: 65 Status: offline last visit: 20.05.08	"Legriaz" and "legryz" are attested in Lhuyd's Forward to his Cornish Grammar in Archaeologia Britannica, page 223. Lhuyd possibly borrowed this from Welsh: llygru, verb, to corrupt, adulterate. marhakIt's in Richard Gendall's 1997 dictionary as: Legria v. to change, alter, develop, corrupt, deprave, deviate; ppp. legrias, legres/legries. He gives, as the source [EL] (Edward Lhuyd). He also has: legrias m. change, development, innovation [EL legriaz] Legria also appears in his 1992 source dictionary, under "corrupt". Again the source is Lhuyd. edited by: marhak, Apr 05, 2008 - 02:15 PM

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