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Sen_Ostell Posted: 18.06.2005, 18:58



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Does anyone know if there are any Cornish political links with the Welsh and Breton independence movements ? Also does the Cornish Nationalist Party (which I believe split from Mebyon Kernow around 1975) still exist as you don't hear much of them these days ?

http://groups.msn.com/WelshRepublicanComment/glyndwr.msnw

http://ctd.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=189

http://www.cbil.lautre.net/01_plateforme/plateforme_gb.htm

http://www.breizh.net/identity/index.htm
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AndyQ Posted: 18.06.2005, 20:02



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Mebyon Kernow do have links with Plaid Cymru and the Scottish Nationalist Party as far as i know, as for the Bretons, i'm not sure if MK have links with them, although to be honest i would imagine they do.

As far as i know the Cornish Nationalist Party are still going although they are more of a pressure group nowadays than a political party. I was subscriptions secretary for 6 years from 1995 - 2001 and a member from 1984 - 2001. I left because i felt that the CNP had come to a halt and didn't seem to be going anywhere politcal wise and the Chairman, Dr. James Whetter more or less agreed with me admitting that the CNP had taken on the role of a pressure group.
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Brian Posted: 19.06.2005, 00:37



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The Cornish Nationalist Party produce a paper: The Cornish Banner.
Not a bad read but I feel the movement needs a dedicated direction and a charismatic leader. The same could be said abiut MK, I suppose.
I believe there was a militaristic wing of the CNP called the Greenshirts.
The problem is that CNP sounds a little like the BNP and the CNP are not are racist group wheras the BNP run a fine line in home county UKIP coffee mornings.
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Ian Posted: 19.06.2005, 08:12



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the movement needs a dedicated direction and a charismatic leader


Although I am not an active member of MK it would seem to me that MK at least has a dedicated direction. Often the term "there is need for a charismatic leader" is used in terms of leadership, but the down side to that is when the so-called 'charismatic' leader is no longer there things fall apart and you end up further behind than where you were before. What people might be thinking is that MK, possibly, needs to loose the fear of saying things that some people might not like to hear. The problem with that is, particularly with parties like MK, the SNP and Plaid Cymru, that both the media, establishment and general public are just waiting to be able to say, "Aah I told you they were extremists!" That's the dilemma, say what needs to be said and be strong and united enough to take the flack or, coast along hoping for a breakthrough. I think MK is gaining much ground, even if quietly and incrementally. We've got used to measuring everything by how much media attention it gets; it just seems nothing is happening. Many of the changes and gains we take for granted now are due to MK's (i.e. its members) pressure over decades. I was once close to joining the CNP when its leader broke away from MK, but deep down I knew that it was MK with its strong roots in Cornwall that was the best machine for enabling control of Cornwall to be given back to its citizens. A small number of unpaid and undervalued party workers can only do so much, so if anything I would like to see MK with employed staff to do the day-to-day "donkeywork", but that will come. (and no I'm not the MK press officer icon_smile ).
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 19.06.2005, 19:22

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The Union Democratic Breton http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/2177/

Is a member of the European Free Alliance http://www.greens-efa.org/en/

I think MK is as well although they are not mentioned on the EFA website, need to get onto that one Mr Jenkin!
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gael Posted: 19.06.2005, 20:29



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i'm about finding this forum a few hours ago. I 'm living in Britanny.(breton speaker and nationalist minded), i' m interested in Cornwal, i' would like to travel with my girlfriend to Kernow during the summer. Do you think that one of you could give me news about political or cultural in cornwal during the summer ? gael@roblin2004.org
I'm thinking about learn cornish (i can manage to do this in britanny), do you know if their is a kind of "summer scholl" in Cornish ? (for the next months or year)

Thank you ...
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 19.06.2005, 21:43

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Salute gael

Desolait, je parle pas les langue Cornique ou Breton mais je parle un peut le Francais.

Je habite a Paris depuis mars 2004 dans onzieme pres du Pere Lachaise cemitiere, c'est chouette non, il y a Oscare Wilde et Jim Morrison dedans.

J'ai beaucoup de chose a fair en ce moment, je fait un cour pour devenir prof de Anglais et c'est dure, je boss com un malade mais je cherche un ecole à Paris qui donne des cour de langue Breton.

Est-ce que vous connaissez une bonne ecole à Paris, est-ce que vous pourriez me donnez l'address sil vous plait.

Je crois que le "Links" page ce serais un bonne commencement pour vous.

http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/Web_Links.htm

Desolate pour mon Francais, je ne parle pas couramment, c'est juste un an que j'ai apris cet langue et je fait beaucoup des errors encore.

bon, c'est tout, bonne chance avec votre recherches

Fulub Le Cornouaillais
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gael Posted: 19.06.2005, 23:08



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je ne connais pas bien le 11eme arrondissement car de paris je ne connais que la prison, j'ai passé quatre ans à la prison de la Santé !
je suis sur qu'il y a des cours à ti ar vretoned (la maison des bretons) qui doit se trouver à la "mission bretonne" rue delambre dans le 14eme. (je vais vérifier)...sinon tu peux taper "skol ober" sur google c'est des cours de breton (et de cornique !) par correspondance cela fonctionne trés bien. Si tu as un problème recontacte moi. Je t'aiderais avec plaisir.merci de ton aide ! with my best interceltics greetings !
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gael Posted: 19.06.2005, 23:10



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For the others, i'm personnaly involved in the nationalist movement (Emgann the left wing pro independence party) i think (sur) that MK has regular relationships with the UDB. Plaid and MK sound more nationalist than UDB...
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gael Posted: 19.06.2005, 23:15



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for Fulup http://tav.trad.org/ate/bre.html sinon tapes "mission bretonne" sur google il mesemble que leur adresse pour les cours a changé...gael
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gael Posted: 19.06.2005, 23:17



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and Emgann has no regular relashionships with another Cornish party...I'm must mention the great work of the celtic league (cornwal branch) in favour of the bretons political prisonners.
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gael Posted: 19.06.2005, 23:23



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CELTIC LEAGUE - PRESS INFORMATIOn

DEMONSTRATION REMINDS BRETONS OF FREEDOM STRUGGLE


A demonstration and commemoration were held in Gwengamp, Brittany
at the weekend to remember some of those who have died in the Breton
freedom struggle over the years and also to remind Bretons of the
ongoing court case and repression of Breton nationalists today.

The meeting was co-operatively organised by CARB (the Breton prisoners
solidarity group) and Nationalist Organisation, Emgann-MGI.

As is generally the case with such events the demonstration was attended
by the media and also attracted the usual intimidatory scrutiny of
the French Police.

However the demonstrators were not deterred and a wreath to commemorate
fallen Breton comrades such as Kristian ar Bihan, Yann-Kel Kernaleguen
and Jean Groix was laid. The wreath laying was followed by a patriotic
rendering of "Kan Bale An ARB".

Bretons were urged to continue to give practical financial support
to the Breton prisoners group, Skoazell Vreizh.

Those outside Brittany in the other Celtic countries who are sympathetic
to the plight of the Breton prisoners can also contribute messages
of solidarity and financial support. Details of how to contact Skoazell
Vreizh are on their web-site.

www.skoazellvreizh.org


J B Moffatt
Secretary General
Celtic League

13/06/05


The Celtic League has branches in the six Celtic Countries of the
western British Isles and Brittany. It works to promote cooperation
between these countries and campaigns on a broad range of political,
cultural and environmental matters. It targets human rights abuse
and monitors all military activity within these areas.

TEL (UK)01624 877918 MOBILE (UK)07624 491609

Internet site at
http://www.manxman.co.im/cleague
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celtic_league/
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Mike Posted: 20.06.2005, 00:02

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Hello Gael,

Thanks (trugarez) for making our site more international. You may be aware of the Stannary Parliament's site which has a lot of information on Kernow:

http://www.cornish-stannary-parliament.abelgratis.com/

The work with FUEN may be of interest to you.

The Breton language is very interesting to us as it is so similar to Kernewek, except that we do not use 'Z' whereas Breton does a lot!

Kenavo - Mike
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gael Posted: 20.06.2005, 09:45



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trugarez !
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Masterclass Posted: 20.06.2005, 10:00



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Cornish: One letter short of an alphabet.
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