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Brittonic
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Posted: 05.07.2005, 10:12
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More information on St Ives (this time wrtitten the Cornish way :wink: )
http://www.stives-cornwall.co.uk/
Bring your stickers with you!
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Diane
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Posted: 06.07.2005, 01:27
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Well I expected that to be written in Cornish or dialect, not plain English still a nice site though. I spent many happy childhood days on the beach there, especially Sunday school annual treats.
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Fulub-le-Breton
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Posted: 03.02.2006, 12:50
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The History of Brittany and the Bretons by Joel Cornette.
Excellent two tome book I’m reading at the moment and I would like to share some stuff for those interested.
1) In 1490 there was a peasant rebellion in Cornouailles in Briezh; I wonder if news of it and other uprisings reached Angoff and Flammank?
2) In 1583 Bertrand d'Argentré in his history of Brittany wrote:
"Brittany is not a simple fief of the crown of France, but a Duchy that has a unique origin distinct and older than the crown of France" and "This ancient royal principality is the last part of ancient Gaul".
Swap crown of England for France, Cornwall for Brittany, Britain for Gaul and it makes a familiar story.
3) The Britons that settled in the Armorican peninsula (to become Brittany) had a form of governance, chieftains called a "machtiern", in Cornish its maghtern and means sovereign. These machtiern controlled a collection of Parishes and apparently this type of governance came from Britain. So Cornwall at and after this time was probably broken up into a patchwork of little territories governed by machtiern. Could it have been these machtiern that Wessex left in place in Cornwall to govern but removed in Devonshire? Instead of invading and totally removing all forms of local governance leaving a hostile, headless and ungovernable alien people why not leave the tribal chiefs in place and force them to pay tribute.
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CJenkin
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Posted: 03.02.2006, 15:01
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Interesting stuff Fulub.
With the large amounts of Bretons that were resident in Cornwall at the time it is inconceivable that they were not aware of Breton affairs. One of the reasons that the Cornish (along with the welsh) initially supported Henry Tudor was that it spent his exile along with the Dukes of Brittany.
However, he failed to support the duchy in the face of french aggression and that may well have been a contributary factor (along with the Stannary issues) that led to Cornish disillusionment with the tudors.
The term myghtern was being used right through the middle ages for king and is found in the Cornish plays which come from the 16th Century - even king arthur is a myghtern so it was probably used for both subkings and main rulers aswell. But certainly it seems likely that myghtern organisation could've carried on to the conquest. (maybe beyond?)
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Fulub-le-Breton
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Posted: 03.02.2006, 19:34
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Thanks, thought you would like it Mr Jenkin, and the French to English translation ain't half bad if i say so myself.
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Fulub-le-Breton
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Posted: 17.02.2006, 18:31
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The Breton militant party Emgann: http://www.emgann.org/
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DywGenes
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Posted: 18.03.2006, 09:59
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A recommendation by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on the ‘concept of nation’ has been backed by the European Parliament regional and minority language Intergroup. This includes the nation of Kernow. 
The PACE recommendation stated that, “Everyone should be free to define themselves as a member of a cultural “nation”, irrespective of their citizenship”. In response, the Intergroup commented that ‘Council of Europe member states should avoid defining themselves in exclusively ethnic terms, and should do their utmost to help their minorities, a source of enrichment, to flourish’.
Today, both the French and the British Governments still deny people from some of the Celtic countries to legally describe themselves in terms of their Celtic national identities in all areas of life.
This is particularly the case where Brittany and Cornwall are concerned.
The French Government have been repeatedly condemned by international organisations and other bodies, for their denial of these basic human rights to the Breton people.
Intergroup leader Mr Csaba Tabajdi, Member of the European Parliament, said that, This recommendation is of utter importance, representing a paradigm change in the protection of minorities in Europe. It contains a new, elaborate concept of nation.
The recommendation states that: The term “nation” is deeply rooted in peoples, culture and history and incorporates fundamental elements of their identity. “It is also closely linked to political ideologies, which have exploited it and adulterated its original meaning. Furthermore, in view of the diversity of languages spoken in European countries, a concept such as nation is quite simply not translatable in many countries where, at best, only rough translations are to be found in certain national languages.
http://www.agencebretagnepresse.com/fetch.php?id=3234
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta06/EREC1735.htm
http://www.eurominority.org/version/eng/maps-states2.asp?id_pays=45
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DywGenes
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Posted: 18.03.2006, 10:06
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RTL, a major French TV and radio channel, last month allowed a so-called humorous item which borders on racism. They permitted a French actor to sing a highly derogative song about the Breton people. This 'entertainment' parallels other instances where 'British' entertainers have sought a cheap laugh at the expense of Celtic people.
It has long been the case that the Scots, Welsh, Irish (and Cornish) have had to endure stereotyping and racial innuendo, any rebuttal of which tends be dismissed as an overreaction. Fortunately, laws against racial discrimination can be used in the United Kingdom to challenge some of the more blatant examples.
http://www.agencebretagnepresse.com/fetch.php?id=3279
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nxylas
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Posted: 18.03.2006, 17:27
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I saw a Breton flag at the 1997 Keskedh Kernow march (where Wessex Society and the Wessex Constitutional Convention were first conceived), if that counts for anything. I'm still a little miffed that we were asked to take our Wessex flag down in case it "caused offence", though. Offence to who? Are there Cornish nationalists who find the idea that some English people may be on their side upsets their simple stereotypes?
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FlammNew
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Posted: 19.03.2006, 00:03
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There was an old-style Breton flag at the St Piran's march in Truro - black cross on a white background! Confused the hell out of me until I asked what it was!
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DywGenes
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Posted: 06.05.2006, 20:06
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CELTIC LEAGUE - PRESS INFORMATION 2/5/06
PAN-CELTIC APPEAL ISSUED OVER BRETON HUNGER STRIKE
The Celtic League has written to heads of government in Scotland,
Wales, Ireland and the Isle of Man urging them to lend their support
to achieving an amicable settlement of the dispute between the Dihun
organisation and Schools authorities in France over Breton language
teaching.
In a letter to Ireland's Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, the League say:
"I draw your attention to the attached correspondence relating to
the situation of Breton language activist, Yannig Baron, who has been
on hunger strike now for two weeks in protest at hostility being displayed
by some Church school authorities in Brittany towards the teaching
of Breton.
You will see that the Celtic League have written to the French authorities
who have enormous influence in this matter, due to their direct funding
of Church schools, urging that the issue be settled amicably.
I am now writing to leaders of political and cultural groups in Scotland,
Ireland, Wales, Mannin and Kernow urging them to express support for
the Dihun Association and asking them to use whatever influence they
have to achieve a resolution of the issue so that Yannig Baron can
end his hunger strike.
I hope that the Irish government will lend its support."
Similar letters have gone to First Ministers in the other Celtic countries
highlighting the two week hunger strike of Yannig Baron. We have enclosed
reports of the dispute together with copies of a protest sent to the
French authorities by the Celtic League via the French Ambassador
to London.
In addition to contacting Scottish, Welsh, Irish and Manx government
leaders the League have also written to leaders of the main National
Parties in Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Mannin and Kernow asking that
their Parties also make statements of support.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celtic_league/message/1944
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Anonymous
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Posted: 07.06.2006, 13:29
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There was an old-style Breton flag at the St Piran's march in Truro - black cross on a white background!
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This flag is called Koraz Du -- meaning black cross. It is the flag used at the time of the Independance untill 1532.
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Anonymous
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Posted: 07.06.2006, 13:37
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Sorry for the misspelling , you should read "kroaz du".
Concerning political parties in Brittany two parties are advocating a separation from France: Emgann and Adsav. Emgann, which is going though major turbulence, god knows if they will survive, has a marxist agenda and wishes for revolution and internationalism. Adsav is a more classic nationalist party and wants an independant state in the European Union.
http://www.emgann.org/
http://adsav.free.fr/
Other parties, including a small group called Parti Breton
wish for some sort of co-operation with France. Given the predatory nature of the French state, it is hard to see what it would mean for the saveguard of Breton interests
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Fulub-le-Breton
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Posted: 07.06.2006, 17:37
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Trugarez
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