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What do the Cornish Gorseth ACTUALLY do?

IrishJack Posted: 10.09.2008, 15:48

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Why do we need an awards system at all?

The Irish and Scots do not have awards systems, why should the cornish?

The Gorsedh was a made up thing to gratify the language revivalists with self indulgent recognition. The Gorsedh survives as there will always be those people that wish to bolster their egos ad feel important, self-aggrandisment doesn't go out of fashion.

I have no personal grudge against the Gorsedh, but my opinion, which as you say I am fully entitled to, is that it is an embrrassment to most cornish people and harmful to the underdeveloped elements of the modern cornish movement.

What use has the Gorsedh been to the cornish for the last 30 or 40 years?


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yes the bloody linguistics, wasting time and energy on something that should be peripheral to the cornish movement, as it is to the scottish and welsh political movements and was to the irish.





edited by: IrishJack, Sep 10, 2008 - 03:52 PM

But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions, backbiting and esoteric language drivel

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TGG Posted: 10.09.2008, 16:27

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IJ, you have not really answered my observations on your previous posting but have continued to 'vent' your opinions.

I happen to hold the opinion that the existence of the Gorseth is, and continues to be a positive one and would suggest that its existence has been a valuable contribution in creating an awareness of Cornish history and culture. What could replace it? The Cornish experience is entirely different to the other Celtic nations, but there is a cultural affinity - presumed or otherwise! - with Wales and Brittany.

I suspect that 'some' might share your view but others will share mine - without some sort of poll, numbers are speculative only! - and it is for the Gorseth itself to continually gauge its value and future objectives. I have no idea where you might fit into the Cornish Movement collective but I am inclined to think that your contribution to date has been entirely negative and considerably more so - however objective you might consider yourself to be - than you might consider the Gorseth is, or has been.

TGG For The (Real)Reason Why!

STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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Verity Posted: 10.09.2008, 22:12

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QuoteTGG: I do wonder, however, if your opinion is correct, then how, as an organisation, has it survived for 80 years and looks set to continue for some time to come?


It is worth pointing out the Flat Earth Society is still in existence, having started soon after the death in 1884 of Samuel Rowbotham.

Does mere existence over a long period provide evidence of meaningfulness or usefulness?

I think not!
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TGG Posted: 10.09.2008, 22:40

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icon_confused It does for them what believes in it!

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STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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Verity Posted: 10.09.2008, 22:44

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So, as long as (enough?) people believe in something, it has enduring value?

Like the Cargo Cult? Satanism? KK(K)?
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P_Trembath Posted: 10.09.2008, 22:48

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VeritySo, as long as (enough?) people believe in something, it has enduring value?

Like the Cargo Cult? Satanism? KK(K)?


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Our day will come!


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Bardh Posted: 10.09.2008, 22:48

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If Bardic membership was good enough for Padraig Pearse, Hobson Matthews, and Dafydd Iwan, I reckon it's bearable.
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Bardh Posted: 10.09.2008, 22:52

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IrishJack
yes the bloody linguistics, wasting time and energy on something that should be peripheral to the cornish movement, as it is to the scottish and welsh political movements and was to the irish.


The language question is very important indeed in Wales - anything but peripheral!
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Verity Posted: 10.09.2008, 22:52

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QuoteBardh: If Bardic membership was good enough for Padraig Pearse, Hobson Matthews, and Dafydd Iwan, I reckon it's bearable.


Mmmm.... Can't say it's a killer argument.

I mean, Bishop Bill Ind a bard?

Who next? David Whalley? Doris Ansari?



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Bardh Posted: 10.09.2008, 23:26

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QuoteBardh: If Bardic membership was good enough for Padraig Pearse, Hobson Matthews, and Dafydd Iwan, I reckon it's bearable.


Mmmm.... Can't say it's a killer argument.


Quite right - not a killer argument. Just a conclusive one. Well done, Verity!


Verity I mean, Bishop Bill Ind a bard?


Yes, you're quite right. He is. Well done again!


Verity Who next? David Whalley? Doris Ansari?edited by: Verity, Sep 10, 2008 - 10:53 PM


Non sequitur.

Enough said on this topic, I think. Over and out on this one!
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Shiner Posted: 10.09.2008, 23:49

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The Bards do what the Bards want to do.
The CSP do what the CSP want to do.
MK do what MK want to do.
C2000 do what C2000 want to do.
CL do what CL want to do.
The language groups do what the language groups want to do.
CW do what CW do.
etc-blah.

They are all pro-cornish and all care about the future of Cornwall.

If you do nothing much for Cornwall and come on this forum moaning about what others do for Cornwall..

..you could be a bit of a useless *****.



If it don't FIT, change IT around.
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Verity Posted: 10.09.2008, 23:56

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Bardh - you quip, but do not answer the point in question. Is this subject too painful for you to be serious about?

A organisation is not guaranteed credibility just because certain people are members of it; and an organisation is devalued if certain people are made members.

I cannot think for the life of me why Bill Ind qualifies to be a bard.

Answers please on a postcard....
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Shiner Posted: 11.09.2008, 00:24

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QuoteA organisation is not guaranteed credibility just because certain people are members of it; and an organisation is devalued if certain people are made members.


Not credible to some, but not all.

Credibility appears in the mind of the observer, hardly a provable fact is it V?

With Bishop Bill, I tend to agree with you.

More credibility could have been available if he had made his apology to Cornwall well before his retirement from office rather than the last minute before he de-possessed himself of public godly duties.



edited by: Shiner, Sep 11, 2008 - 12:24 AM


If it don't FIT, change IT around.
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Shiner Posted: 11.09.2008, 00:25

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QuoteI might be wrong, but to me, the Gorseth is not a campaigning organization.


You may be right too Paddy.


If it don't FIT, change IT around.
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IrishJack Posted: 11.09.2008, 09:24

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ShinerThe Bards do what the Bards want to do.
The CSP do what the CSP want to do.
MK do what MK want to do.
C2000 do what C2000 want to do.
CL do what CL want to do.
The language groups do what the language groups want to do.
CW do what CW do.
etc-blah.

They are all pro-cornish and all care about the future of Cornwall.

If you do nothing much for Cornwall and come on this forum moaning about what others do for Cornwall..

..you could be a bit of a useless *****.


Wood and trees. Divide and conqueror. Why does the cornish movemnent need so many organisation, that are effectively competing for attention and time. If the cornish movement was serious their would only be two organisations, one cultural/heritage/language and one political/social/legal.

'One and All' appears to be sheer irony, see language debate for further details.

Why do posters here think that people will join organisations to change them? People join organisation that they like and who project ideas and objects that are collectively interesting and appropriate, this is perhaps why the cornish convention was popular and Gorsedh-MK is not.
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