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What do the Cornish Gorseth ACTUALLY do?

moonshine Posted: 26.04.2008, 22:29

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I agree Mike. They are an important part of the Cornish movement's overall picture. To tourists who attend their events it is yet more confirmation that Cornwall is different to England. A little more earthiness wouldn't go amiss, nor some improved PR.
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Mike Posted: 26.04.2008, 22:40

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Agree. Any organisation that furthers Cornwall's various facets of culture without causing undue grief is to be welcomed and like you say developed as time moves forward. The Gorsedh gives an aire of respectable authenticity.
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GrahamHart Posted: 27.04.2008, 02:51

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Perhaps a few emails in their direction might bring them to showing closer unity with the rest of the movement.

In other words, " Dear Gorseth, Up the Anti ".

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Egloshal Posted: 27.04.2008, 19:28

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Nice to see good healthy conversation going here on an important topic, because the Gorseth should be important to Cornwall. Unfortunately, I tend to agree with Morvran on most points. I actually think that conversation in the public domain is good for the Gorseth, rather than doing it through 'the proper channels'. I imagine those proper channels need a good rodding out by now.

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shrdlu Posted: 27.04.2008, 19:53

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Do you think "TheArchDruid" is an official spokeswoman from the Gorsedd? I'm not sure she is.
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morvran Posted: 27.04.2008, 21:48

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I just found the thread about the Gorsedh from a year or two ago. I agree with what most people said, and hadn't realised anyone else thought that way. I'd always assumed that everyone else either thought the Gorsedh was wonderful or simply ignored it entirely.

Some years ago, when I'd not long been involved with the language, I generally turned up for the Gorsedh and several years running got given the Kowethas banner to hold just outside the magic bardic circle. This was because everyone else seemed to be a bard so had to be in the circle. Anyway, there I was, between the bards and the public, and well, do you remember the "Sermon on the Mount" scene from the Life of Brian? "What did he say?", "Sounded like 'blessed are the cheesemakers ...'" etc. Well it was just like that. The bards were doing their thing, all the public saw were the backs of the nearest encircled bards, they couldn't understand the Cornish and were just waiting for Little Johny to get his certificate or whatever. "What are they doing now?" "Have we got to this bit yet?" "Who's that?" etc., etc. ...

Amusing, yes. But I began to wonder what it was all in aid of, and who exactly it was meant to be for. I don't claim to be able to organise ceremonies, but there are certainly people who can, and I've seen better organised ad hoc. It all went on far too long (without a break) and oh yes, the dirges! icon_frown

Given that they go to the trouble each year of hiring a field, why not make a day of it? Why not have an opening ceremony to establish the special ethos of the place, then use it as a focus for all sorts of events, exhibitions, demonstrations, you name it. Lots of music, every sort. Get a markee for goodness sake ... And at some point or points the bards can convene and do their stuff, and at the end they close the day, and hopefully a good time has been had by all, contacts made, schemes mooted, and Cornish identity advanced.

I just feel that a great opportunity is thrown away year after year, like I'm watching endless re-runs of an very old movie, and each time the film gets a little more scratched.

I'd like to see a lot more positive emphasis on the language too. I wonder how much damage is done by associating it with all those dirges, and halting mispronounced speeches?

Well, "henn yw lowr, na moy ny res".

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Lovelorn Posted: 27.04.2008, 23:00



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Seems to me like they dress in quasi-religious robes and give each bardic names to keep outsiders, and probably those Cornish they don't approve of, out.
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moonshine Posted: 27.04.2008, 23:17

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Are they the Cornish Masons?

Do they bare one nipple down St Keverne way with a pasty balanced on their head while swearing an oath in Cornish to check the An Gof statue once a week for CNE stickers?

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sharon Posted: 27.04.2008, 23:20

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Well I've met Anne Jenkin as she was a bard and she has my respect.

That's all I know about Bards..

Is Pol Hodge a Bard?
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Mike Posted: 27.04.2008, 23:37

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LovelornSeems to me like they dress in quasi-religious robes and give each bardic names to keep outsiders, and probably those Cornish they don't approve of, out.


Just be careful Lovelorn they don't get you into the circle icon_eek
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Verity Posted: 27.04.2008, 23:39

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The Gorsedd is very important to us in that it is the only way we can recognise cultural contributions to the pro-Cornwall movement (and, as the history of Ireland, Scotland and Wales show, culture and politics are two sides of the same coin). The trouble is it has become, as an institution, an outrageously elderly, middle-class, easy-going, self-congratulatorary oligarchy focussed primarily on ceremonial spectacle (but don't run ceremonial down - it is important as it expresses something deeply).

Might I humbly suggest Pol Hodge for Grand Bard and (if they accepted him as a bard) Jack Bolitho for his deputy?

And perhaps Revd Andy Phillips as Gorsedd Chaplain?

It's radical, but perhaps that represents a truly Cornish (un)Holy Trinity!
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sharon Posted: 27.04.2008, 23:42

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Anne Jenkin she walked from St Keverne to London in 1997 to commemorate the 1497 rebellion...

Then she wrote a book about it.

Hugh Rowe did that walk too..

I would have really liked to been around then and took part in that walk.... icon_smile
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Mike Posted: 27.04.2008, 23:57

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Anne Jenkin is a previous Grand Bard and present Bard and Pol Hodge is a present Bard.
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sharon Posted: 28.04.2008, 00:03

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MikeAnne Jenkin is a previous Grand Bard and present Bard and Pol Hodge is a present Bard.


I heard Pol give a speech in St Keverne square during the 1497 commemoration, June last year, he spoke in Cornish and English.

Pretty good spokesman I thought...









edited by: sharon, Apr 28, 2008 - 12:05 AM
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moonshine Posted: 28.04.2008, 00:15

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If only she'd married Charles Windsor.
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