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What do the Cornish Gorseth ACTUALLY do?

morvran Posted: 28.04.2008, 02:17

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MikeAnne Jenkin is a previous Grand Bard and present Bard and Pol Hodge is a present Bard.


Pol is Swordbearer in fact, and a fluent speaker. But like everyone else he's stuck with a script written by Jenner or Nance decades ago in the dawn of the revival.

How active the 'honoury bards' are I couldn't say, although they might well come out of the woodwork to oppose anything remotely radical. It's one thing to honour someone because you think they're a Jolly Good Chap, but is it right that ever after they should have a say in the running of the organisation? Do the sums. People are honoured for being secretary of the Trepolpen OCS for 40 years, etc. So they won't be on the young side. Then they remain bards til death, bit like the peerage. Is it just me, or has the average age increased over the years? What about barding people who you think are going to do great things, rather than waiting until they've past their peak -- fast-track bardship for rising stars maybe? Or some sort of parallel structure that does the dynamic bit leaving the old guard in peace to sing their dirges? If all else fails a fringe? Bit of street theater??

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marhak Posted: 28.04.2008, 08:34

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In my case, I was made a Bard for services to Cornish archaeology, after years of spare time, unpaid measured surveys of archaeological sites. I was nominated by the late Peter Pool, who was told that by the Gorsedd Council that they would not entertain my installation unless I wrote a book. So he suggested it and I did.

I became thoroughly disillusioned a few years later when I nominated Tony Blackman for his huge efforts to get Cornish subjects taught in schools (you might remember the folder containing details on all sorts of Cornish subjects, with an impressive number of contributors). They flatly refused that nomination but, instead, installed someone from a European country who had passed an exam in Cornish and who had never been to Britain, let alone Cornwall. To me, that added insult to injury.

OK, Tony was finally and deservedly Barded a few years later but that didn't explain the initial refusal.



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TheArchDruid Posted: 28.04.2008, 10:46



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You also publically criticised the Gorseth while a bard and refused to stop when requested. Why are you surprised that the Gorseth was less than cooperative with you?
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fancyabrew Posted: 28.04.2008, 11:17



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They paraded through Looe on Saturday, I watched them whilst waiting for my bus to the footy. I must admit the average age looked to be about 85. I’m sure most people around the town didn’t have a clue what was going on!
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Egloshal Posted: 28.04.2008, 13:50

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Re: earlier postings.

I think it is best to stick to discussing the Gorseth as an institution and not about individual bards. I know many individuals who are hard workers for the culture and committed. However, they would probably still work in the same way if they weren't bards.

The comment about the procession by Fancyabrew is the impression most people in Cornwall have I reckon.

The question is: how to you alter that impression?

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Trevorpen Posted: 28.04.2008, 13:51



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I must agree fanyabrew. They just semed to get sniggers from most people who saw them.
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marhak Posted: 28.04.2008, 14:03

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That is totally incorrect, so-called Archdruid and, if you insist that it is, then I will require proof. I complained - not publicly but to the Gorsedd Council - about the conduct of certain bards publicly attacking others; and then the deliberate sabotage of one bard's work by other bards - all totally against the Gorsedd's own code of conduct. Chesterfield chose to attack me instead for daring to challenge his cronies' conduct.

I did not go public until AFTER I had resigned my bardship.

So get it right, pal. Or, if you choose to make false statements about me, at least have the spine to do it under your own name.



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Egloshal Posted: 28.04.2008, 14:51

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This is all very interesting... now may I ask you all another question. If you had the power to do one thing to substantially improve the perception and effectiveness of the Gorseth, what would that be?

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Nosdan Posted: 28.04.2008, 14:51

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Those robes don't do it for me at all, I understand the history and the analogy between the other Celtic bards, but seriously they're so old fashioned.

They should be targeting a younger generation, encouraging the uptake of the language and the dancing and greater appreciation of the culture.

Until I seriously became interested in all things Cornish, when i was about 21 I hadn't even heard of them.

I have to say its a lot like MK, they are starting to focus on younger people, but for years they've been the beard and sandal party.

When are Cornish organisations going to realise that the strongest empathy is with the under 30s~40s. We're the one starting families, and its the Cornish organisations job to instill in us the Cornish values, which we can pass to our children.

Its time to close the generation gap.



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GrahamHart Posted: 28.04.2008, 15:04

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Quote They flatly refused that nomination but, instead, installed someone from a European country who had passed an exam in Cornish and who had never been to Britain, let alone Cornwall.


That says it all for me.

QuoteThose robes don't do it for me at all


Agreed Nosdan. I would'nt be seen dead in them.





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Egloshal Posted: 28.04.2008, 15:07

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To sumarise: a couple of things the Gorseth can do:

* Focus on younger generations and modernise its approach to protecting the culture,

* overhaul the dressing gowns and tea-towels.

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marhak Posted: 28.04.2008, 16:17

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Get them to find a way to relate to ordinary Cornish people; to interact with them in such a way that they will no longer be seen as a blue-robed elite but a real part of the Cornish scene.

I'd like to see the Gorsedd rid itself of the internal cliques that exist. Ban the term "language bard" for a start. A bard is a bard, irrespective of why he/she was installed in the first place. You don't get "archaeology bards", "music bards", "literary bards", so why this term that sets one set of bards apart from the rest?

I'd also like to see them grow a backbone (along with ArchDruid) and tackle head-on those central government issues that threaten to submerge Cornish identity and culture. I know that they have written and so on, but all in nice polite language. Namby-pamby words that make no impression whatsoever. I'd like them to go in hard. Hard hitting words. Gloves off. The current threats against us are alarmingly serious (the latest being the almost total erasure of Cornish culture from "Culture South West"). The Gorsedd has the potential to be the Champion of Cornwall and the Cornish people - hell, it contains all the talent that's needed - but it must learn to throw a few good punches and a few low blows besides.
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fancyabrew Posted: 28.04.2008, 16:24



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NosdanThose robes don't do it for me at all, I understand the history and the analogy between the other Celtic bards, but seriously they're so old fashioned.

They should be targeting a younger generation, encouraging the uptake of the language and the dancing and greater appreciation of the culture.

Until I seriously became interested in all things Cornish, when i was about 21 I hadn't even heard of them.

I have to say its a lot like MK, they are starting to focus on younger people, but for years they've been the beard and sandal party.

When are Cornish organisations going to realise that the strongest empathy is with the under 30s~40s. We're the one starting families, and its the Cornish organisations job to instill in us the Cornish values, which we can pass to our children.

Its time to close the generation gap.edited by: Nosdan, Apr 28, 2008 - 02:56 PM
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agree with all of that
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TheArchDruid Posted: 28.04.2008, 16:35



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There are no "language bards", but there are bards who have been installed for proficiency in the Cornish language. The perception of "language bards" as a distinct group says much about the prejudices of the perceiver. "Language bards" do not exist as a distinct group within the Gorsedd.
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Mike Posted: 28.04.2008, 16:45

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Perhaps people's criticism of the Gorsedh is that they do not argue as much, often in public, as other Cornish organisations. Perhaps this is an essential part of Cornish culture icon_confused

More seriously, the news page of the Gorsedh website shows some interesting stuff, here and overseas:

http://www.gors.../welcome.htm

Cornish culture certainly being seen to being enhanced there. More than I've seen recently by any other organisation.

A serious organisation like the Gorsedh should be approached directly with suggestions through the proper channels, not aired on a troll-ridden rat pit like this.
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