Gunwalloe - Church Cove
View across Church Cove in Gunwalloe at the base of the Lizard Peninsula.
The church is St Winwalloe with it's distinctively seperate bell tower and surrounding Tamarisk hedge....
newlyn house
Wonderfully painted frontage....
rogers tower
A folly built 18th C, for Mr Rogers, a local landowner....
I have read somewhere, I can't remember where it might even have been here, that the Local Government Act 1888, setting up County Councils, did not make provision for Cornwall, and Cornwall was added the fol owing year.
1/ Have I misunderstood what I read?
2/ If not, what was the reason for the delay?
I have tried to find out on the Internet, but the only thing I found was that the Isles of Scilly were made a unitary authority (?) in 1889.
Kernow Kensa!
Our day will come!
"Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
I'm sure I saw a copy of an act (years ago) setting up Cornwall 'County' Council. What stuck in my mind was the second or third provision which stated that the CCC would have no authority whatsoever over the Dutchy. Is this correct?
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I have a sneaking suspicion that Cornwall wasn't added until a year later because London needed to assess the effect of the mass emigration from Cornwall, after the collapse of mining. In other words - who was left to offer up any real opposition to their nefarious intentions? When they realised that Cornish people still in residence were too few and too poor to offer any meaningful resistance, England took full advantage, illegally relegating us to a mere "county".
Lord Kilbrandon latched onto this in 1973 when, in his report into local government reorganisation, he featured the questionable legality of the imposed "county" status and recommended that Cornwall be referred to as a Duchy and not a county (BBC, District and "County" Councils, please note, and note well).
Was it just Cornwall, and the IoS, or were there any other Councils that were "late"?
Where would one look to find any information on this?
Was there any input from the Duke?
What confuses me, is that although I can see reasons for the Duke to want to "play" his position down regarding Cornwall now, I see no reason for him wanting, or needing, to then. His position as a de facto "king", ruling Cornwall, would not have been thought out of the ordinary at that time, surly? In fact, I would have thought that it would have been in his interests, at the time, to have maintained the full public face of his position.
Kernow Kensa!
Our day will come!
"Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
"Cornwall has never officially been made a county, the official title is Duchy and should be refered to as such as stated in the Kilbrandon report of 1973. In 1888, an agreement was formed between the then government and the Duke of Cornwall that Cornwall would run in a ‘county style’ way but was never formally granted county status. The official status of Cornwall within the United Kingdom, is that of Duchy."
I would love to know if 'county style' was an actual quote.
Although the Duchy would most certainly have been involved in the process in 1888/9, it was not the reason why Cornwall alone became subject to the Act, one year after everyone else.
The reason was much simpler. Just like today, the then leaders of the political make-up of the proposed county council could not decide on who was best placed for leadership. There followed an almighty squabble that was not resolved until at least twelve months after the English counties had sorted themselves out.
I have never come across anything definitive about the 'year later' conundrum other than someone making the point that it was nothing to do with the Duchy connection. For anyone wishing to do the mysteriously un-done legwork, I would suggest that it means
reading through old press reports,
a FOI request to Cornwall Council for 'The Reason Why?',
a FOI request to the Department of Constitutional Affairs and
a FOI (although it will deny any such obligation) request to the Duchy of Cornwall for means by which something vested in the Duchy (i.e. the civil government of Cornwall) had been alienated from the Duchy and transferred to the Crown.
What Cornwall needs is a Kernocentric academic institution that might feel some obligation to research into such Curious Cornish Conundrums.
I have carried out the 2nd and 4th items and the response is on the TGG website. That, however, was long before the Freedom of Information Act but might well be worth checking out for the appropriate wording of the request, in the light of the new times that we live in.
STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
Does the Proposed Toytown non-Unitary Authority
therefore offer the best current opportunity for the
constitutional status of Cornwall to be challenged,asserted,
and brought to the fore in the public eye through
a legal challenge by, say, the C.S.P. +/- MK ?
It looks then as though the deal that was stitched up was that London could treat Cornwall as a de facto English county for day-to-day administrative purposes, but the real constitutional position was not changed, in particular the Dutchy's powers could not be challanged by the 'county' administration.
This probably means that the 'county' exists at the dutchy's pleasure, since otherwise they'd have to do all the boring local government administration. Effectively the dutchy is a sort of absentee landlord who's delegated everyday management to London/the CCC.
Can anyone find the act I was looking at. It might well be on line these days?
Morvran, I have a copy of the Act of 1888 somewhere but cannot find it at the moment. However, in most of the Parliamentary Acts that impinge upon Cornwall there is usually a 'saving' clause to protect the Duchy. The Sheriff's Act 1887, for example, contains the following :-Also worth remembering that the civil administration/government of Cornwall is vested in the Duchy - not the Crown.
STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
Thank you TGG, that looks like what I remember seeing. I was beginning to wonder if I'd imagined it. I am however very confused by all of this, as I'm sure is nearly everyone else. Normally government bureaucrats, legal officers etc. are very insistent that everything is "done by the book". How then can we have such an apparent mismatch between the _de jury_ and _de facto_ position of Cornwall? Under what authority for example do all the various crown bodies operate, from the CPS to English Heritage. Do they have some sort of special warrent from the Duchy? What is the position of Cornish MPs? Basically I can't see the point of all this 'deception'. The UK can tolerate the presence of separate crown dependencies like the IoM and the Channel Isles, so why go to all this trouble to cover up Cornwall's apparent consitutional position? Or has it all come out of the fevered imagination of a few people who don't get out enough?
Kerrow, thanks for the link. It did not work because it had been broken at each line break. This is the completed link. It is not the original that I remember but is useful for bringing it up to date with the relevant amendments. It is a very complicated document. I obtained my original backalong via the HMSO (as it was then) and British Library.
STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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