Mid-Freako, you ask for "facts", to prove a conspiracy, How about the insistence on the incorrect use of the word "English", as in English Heritage or English Nature, when the word "British" would be more correct, less insulting, and less open to the interpretation of a deliberate attempt to remove from existence anything Cornish?
You have also failed to answer my question regarding what the Tibetans would gain by forgiving the Chinese, do you have one?
edited by: P_Trembath, May 26, 2008 - 11:13 AM
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[quote=P_Trembath]Mid-Freako, you ask for "facts", to prove a conspiracy, How about the insistence on the incorrect use of the word "English", as in English Heritage or English Nature, when the word "British" would be more correct, less insulting, and less open to the interpretation of a deliberate attempt to remove from existence anything Cornish?[quote]
Well No, clearly thats not evidence for a conspiracy, thats evidence for something you're not happy about, entirely different.
Do you actually have any idea what would be required for there to be a conspiracy against Cornwall by the English?
I'm thinking not
I cant really speak for the entire Tibetan populace, but I can speak for the core principles of Buddhism that should guide them.
The Dharma position would say something like: The lack of forgiveness would create a cycle of habit and hate that becomes self feeding and of zero benefit to anyone.
There is no possible goodness that could come from no forgiving, only more suffering.
The only change we should focus on as individuals or nations is change that has a chance of being relaised, if there is no chance of being realised, that focus is a waste, and probably, more seeds of negativity.
This is why HH The Dalai Lamma said recently that he accepts China will never leave Tibet and so rather the Tibetans should forgive and aim for more and more reconciliation.
He calls this "slow and steady politics" or something.
In the same way as China will never Leave Tibet, England will never leave Cornwall (England has much more claim to Cornwall than China does to Tibet BTW); unless, perhaps, by an overwhelming democratic movement for independence.
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It is unfair to compare the two. We have historical examples where England have left a nation after a revolt or through democratic change. There is no reason why this cannot happen again.
And how is that?
I am awake at 4am to the terrifying undeniable truth that there is nothing I can do to stop the monster
As much as I hate "conspiracy theories". If you wish to describe the current situation in Cornwall as such, then lets look at it that way.
You say that my example is not evidence for a ct, but there are different types of conspiracy. there is the short lived one where a group of people conspire to achieve a goal, by nefarious means. There is then a much longer lived conspiracy, the one that attempts to hide the truth about the original one.
Unless you accept the existence of the original "short term ct", then it is impossible to provide any evidence that is acceptable to prove the second type, the "long term ct".
For example, unless you believe that there is credence to the suggestion that there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll, no amount of evidence, however damning, that there has been a cover-up is going to change your mind.
Now, look at the "long term ct". If the conspiracy is not detected relatively quickly, then the original purpotrators of the conspiracy will no longer be around. Those who follow in their footsteps will not know all the facts, just the situation that they find themselves presented with. In the normal run of events, this will result in everything carrying on as "normal", and no-one will be any the wiser. The original conspirators will have "got away with it".
Now, in a situation such as this, when after a long period of time, people start asking questions, and finding evidence that all is not as it should be. The "descendants" of the original conspiracy are stuck in an awkward situation. They can investigate, and if those asking the questions are proved correct, they have the choice of admitting that there has been wrong doing, and work to put it right, or, they can continue the conspiracy by working to discredit the evidence put forward by those asking questions.
One way in which that can be done, is by attempting to convince as many as possible that the current situation is the one that has always existed. They can do this by utilising the education system, and, as in cases such as Cornwall's, swamping the area with as many organisations supportive of the status quo as possible. The longer ago the original "short term" Conspiracy, the easier it is to continue the "long term" one.
The "lumping" of things under the title of English, such as heritage or nature, is just one way of continuing this "long term" conspiracy.
Firstly, it is not a conspiracy by the English, but one by the English establishment.
Secondly, bearing in mind what I have written above, it, after this length of time, would not take that much. Many of those who are continuing such a conspiracy are totally unaware that they are doing so. They believe what they have been told, by those who also believed what they were told, and so on and so on.
Equally, forgiving when there has been no admittance of transgression, is fostering the belief in the transgressor that their actions are acceptable, thereby allowing even more suffering.
Who is to judge what can and can not be changed, until it has been tried. With all due respect, if that is what Buddhism teaches, that we should just accept our lot in life, then it is not for me. In fact, the whole concept that you have just stated is in itself extremely negative. If at first you don't succeed, say sod it and go down the pub, in fact, don't bother trying in the first place, you are wasting valuable getting nowhere time.
In 1940, the world at large believed that Britain had absolutely no chance of defeating Germany, Thank god the British were not Buddhists. 150 years ago, the Irish were being told that they had no chance of getting rid of British rule.......
You harp on about negativity, and yet seem unable to notice the negativity in what you post. "England will never leave Cornwall" I always thought of "never" as a somewhat negative concept.
The fact is that nothing will change until you try, is it not better to have tried and lost than not have tried at all, not that we will loose, the only unknowns are when, and to what degree. Now, that is positive.
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