Mat, I note that again you have not addressed my questions.
Since conspiracies are, by their very nature usually only provable by confession or by serious intellectual analysis, your state of denial is to be expected. I would, nevertheless, restate my earlier point that I do not discuss the Cornish Paradox in terms of conspiracy. Your use of "current" and "English Establishment" might, however, also point to an, as yet, unstated opinion?
You referred in an earlier posting to the concept of a conspiracy being "a paradigm shift". I agree with that, but until people give the matter some serious thought, as with the concept of genocide, it will not receive the proper debate that is required. It seems impossible to me to read the catalogue of events in 'the book' and not begin to see a pattern, which reinforces my hypothesis of genocide.
Once you start talking "patterns" rather than "facts"....
I will wager there is not one provable conspiratorial fact in that book, just patterns that can be interpreted countless ways.
You seem to misrepresent, and avoid, my point here by inferring that I am talking about patterns. I am suggesting that someone else's substantiated analysis, paints a picture that "reinforces my [own]hypothesis". Once you have read the book, please feel free to acquaint us with any patterns that you see.
With regard to your later postings, how is justice sought and determined? Are you saying that there is no point in identifying injustice, particularly in terms of Rights, which modern society seems so obsessed with, in ensuring such things exist?
STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
As much as I hate "conspiracy theories". If you wish to describe the current situation in Cornwall as such, then lets look at it that way.
I don't I don't think it is a conspiracy That is what others have been arguing. Im arguing, there is NO CONSPIRACY
There is then a much longer lived conspiracy, the one that attempts to hide the truth about the original one.
Unless it involves conspirators, It ain't a Conpiracy
For example, unless you believe that there is credence to the suggestion that there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll, no amount of evidence, however damning, that there has been a cover-up is going to change your mind.
Unless there is evidence, even slight, for a second shooter, then there is no evidence for a Conspiarcy???
Do you appreciate what evidence is?
Now, look at the "long term ct". If the conspiracy is not detected relatively quickly, then the original purpotrators of the conspiracy will no longer be around. Those who follow in their footsteps will not know all the facts, just the situation that they find themselves presented with. In the normal run of events, this will result in everything carrying on as "normal", and no-one will be any the wiser. The original conspirators will have "got away with it".
Lets assume that thats the case, I see what your saying and it makes sense. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean there is any recompense, they got away with it, we have to live with it.
Would you really expect to go back 700 years and undo this?
One way in which that can be done, is by attempting to convince as many as possible that the current situation is the one that has always existed. They can do this by utilising the education system, and, as in cases such as Cornwall's, swamping the area with as many organisations supportive of the status quo as possible.
Ok, again, assume thats the case and we convince the world of this wrong doing. What do you, with you head in this part of reality, expect to happen?
IT HAPPENED 700 YEARS AGO!
Can you name one comparable case in this history of the planet? I cant think of one.
You still have not given one jot of evdience for any kind of conspiracy that recent. Not one. Nein. Not a jot. I havent even had a sniff at what this evidence might be.
Im sure you would LOVE there to be this conspiracy, just like 911 Truthers really want their facts to be true(Its an irony of modern culture). But that doenst make it evidence.
With all due respect, if that is what Buddhism teaches, that we should just accept our lot in life, then it is not for me. In fact, the whole concept that you have just stated is in itself extremely negative. If at first you don't succeed, say sod it and go down the pub, in fact, don't bother trying in the first place, you are wasting valuable getting nowhere time.
If you go to the doctor with some ailment, do you want him to tell tell you the truth or be overly pessimistic or optimistic?
Buddhism is about realism. That is what it is. I wouldnt base your approach to it on my nutshells
The fact is that nothing will change until you try, is it not better to have tried and lost than not have tried at all, not that we will loose, the only unknowns are when, and to what degree. Now, that is positive.
Ummm hate to break it to you, but the Cornsih Movement has tried, many times, and actually, gets laughed at.
So rather than continuing this fultile cycle why not try democracy? I hear its worked pretty good elsewhere.
I think this chat is going round in circles. All I wanted was for people who accuse the English establishment of Conspiracy to have some current evdience.
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Mat, I note that again you have not addressed my questions.
Jim, I appear to be taking on everyone with a laptop, so sorry if Im missing points. Mind you, nobody has answered my q about FACTS.
Since conspiracies are, by their very nature usually only provable by confession or by serious intellectual analysis, your state of denial is to be expected.
No No No NO. Please listen to what im saying:
I am not asking for proof, but for possible proof. Potential facts. There are millions for other conspiracies, not one for this.
Its not a conspiracy.
I would, nevertheless, restate my earlier point that I do not discuss the Cornish Paradox in terms of conspiracy. Your use of "current" and "English Establishment" might, however, also point to an, as yet, unstated opinion?
Whoever mentioned conspiarcy in this thread and all the people who supported them. thats who im addressing
Once you have read the book, please feel free to acquaint us with any patterns that you see.
Why should I waist my time on a book that is getting lauded as "wow" but when pressured seems to contain ZERO FACTS?
ive me a fact or 2 from the book and ill read it.
With regard to your later postings, how is justice sought and determined? Are you saying that there is no point in identifying injustice, particularly in terms of Rights, which modern society seems so obsessed with, in ensuring such things exist?
No, Im saying as I have been, to deaf ears, for over a year here:
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
Mat
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You have MK "The Party for Cornwall" with a magazine called "Cornish Nation" and previous statements from them that they can't push the word "Country" too much in their propaganda as it may piss too many emmits off - and for 50 years they've been pushing for "home rule" for Cornwall.
Then a new book and website comes out that takes apart the scam that is the Duchy of Cornwall "Estate" and proves beyond all reasonable doubt that Cornwall is not IN England, that the County of Cornwall is in the Duchy of Cornwall and that the Duchy IS the whole of Cornwall with its own government that has been hijacked by an English Prince and turned into a private estate as if by magic.
What reaction/response do we get from MK?
Not a single word, apart from some weirdo MK Exec bod who not only hasn't even heard of John Angarrack, he calls him biased before reading his book, demands proof then can't see it when its presented, and to top it all off actually takes a thread about his MK leader totally off topic so as to make a few ego-boasts from his "Buddhism for Dummies" book he probably got for Christmas off his mum.
Is this book really scaring so many people? Or are people just too stupid to see its implications, truth and potential for turning Cornwall around?
Is this all MK have to say...
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER
The Duchy of Cornwall scam is a present day injustice and MK don't stand a chance of gaining the Nation's support while the likes of Billy the Buddha is Dharming around C24 as a known MK executive.
Tell me I'm dreaming, tell me its a LibDem conspiracy, please!
The Duchy of Cornwall scam is a present day injustice and MK don't stand a chance of gaining the Nation's support while the likes of Billy the Buddha is Dharming around C24 as a known MK executive.
Tell me I'm dreaming, tell me its a LibDem conspiracy, please!
FYI, Im still waiting for evidence that:
[quote=moonshine]Cornwall maintains a secret head of state and government[quote]
LOL @ Billy The Buddha
MY comments on here are not connected with MK, they are ultimately not even to do with Cornwall, they are connected with my view that if you are going to call something a Conspiracy then you need to have facts.
You can Mock me me all you want, and insult me, but you haven't dented my reasoning, answered my questions or provided anything other than the cloudy eyed doggerel that mixes history and the future and reality and your delusion.
Joker.
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I am not asking for proof, but for possible proof. Potential facts. There are millions for other conspiracies, not one for this.
Its not a conspiracy.
Whoever mentioned conspiarcy in this thread and all the people who supported them. thats who im addressing
Mat, I see no real point in maintaining this exchange, since I do not present my arguments as ‘a cospiracy’ per se, but feel obliged, nevertheless, to respond.
I must, therefore, once again point out that there has to be collusion between the Crown & Duchy to sustain the constitutional lies that incorrectly places Cornwall de facto in England, whilst maintaining the charade that the Duchy is a "private estate and nothing to do with Cornish territory".
Why should I waist my time on a book that is getting lauded as "wow" but when pressured seems to contain ZERO FACTS?
ive me a fact or 2 from the book and ill read it.
I would suggest that the book is worth reading for its own sake. It is, as always, a free choice.
No, Im saying as I have been, to deaf ears, for over a year here:
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER [times 15!?]
Not deaf ears, more a lateral Cornish approach to the Cornish Paradox. I do not seek to use historical injustice as a political lever. I, personally, would not know how to. My reason for exposing the constitutional lies, the inertia of English Imperialism, driven by TEAM-EIS, and its relationship with Lemkin’s definition of genocide, is solely to make people more aware of what is going on and thus to provide some context. It also, very appropriately, serves to illustrate that the issues are not some 700-year-old illusion that some seek to advocate, but a very current, and everyday, evil.
STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
I am not asking for proof, but for possible proof. Potential facts. There are millions for other conspiracies, not one for this.
Its not a conspiracy.
Whoever mentioned conspiarcy in this thread and all the people who supported them. thats who im addressing
Mat, I see no real point in maintaining this exchange, since I do not present my arguments as ‘a cospiracy’ per se, but feel obliged, nevertheless, to respond.
I must, therefore, once again point out that there has to be collusion between the Crown & Duchy to sustain the constitutional lies that incorrectly places Cornwall de facto in England, whilst maintaining the charade that the Duchy is a "private estate and nothing to do with Cornish territory".
Why should I waist my time on a book that is getting lauded as "wow" but when pressured seems to contain ZERO FACTS?
ive me a fact or 2 from the book and ill read it.
I would suggest that the book is worth reading for its own sake. It is, as always, a free choice.
No, Im saying as I have been, to deaf ears, for over a year here:
YOU CANNOT USE HISTORICAL INJUSTICE AS A POLITICAL LEVER [times 15!?]
Not deaf ears, more a lateral Cornish approach to the Cornish Paradox. I do not seek to use historical injustice as a political lever. I, personally, would not know how to. My reason for exposing the constitutional lies, the inertia of English Imperialism, driven by TEAM-EIS, and its relationship with Lemkin’s definition of genocide, is solely to make people more aware of what is going on and thus to provide some context. It also, very appropriately, serves to illustrate that the issues are not some 700-year-old illusion that some seek to advocate, but a very current, and everyday, evil.
Jim, You haven't throughout this thread called it a "conspiracy", and I would bet you haven't called it that elsewhere either. A number of people in this thread have, however, and they are the ones I had issue with. You have remained level, rational and reasonable.
The JA Book
I listened to the interview with JA and thought it was interesting. Interesting he says its not a conspiracy and even calls the very evocative "Tom Clancy" text a bit "tongue in cheek". I also fully agree with his point about teahcing Cornish History in schools.
Everything he said seemed to make sense...... When Its out in AudioBook, ill listen for sure
There are, of course, some points I'd like to pick you up on
>>>>>My reason for exposing the constitutional lies
Who is lying here? Is it Prince Charles? The Queen? Political Parties? Polititions themselves, the Police? Whoever is lying we must assume its a lye that has in some sense been "passed down", but who would do this and why?
The Motive is very important, and I dont see much motive for whoever is lying to lye and compromise their integrity and much else. We aint Iraq.
>>>>>It also, very appropriately, serves to illustrate that the issues are not some 700-year-old illusion that some seek to advocate
I wouldn't know who those people who think this is an "illusion" are. Anyone who spends the time looking at the history of Cornwall can see that there is a legitimate dispute about the status of Cornall and, furthermore, that Cornwall has been treated badly historiaclly by the English over the years.
>>>>but a very current, and everyday, evil.
If there is evil there are evil doeers. SO my point again, who is doing this evil currently and today?
I feel we agree on the History, the Legals and the current state of affairs. Where we disagree is on the mechanisms that continue this current state of affairs.
Some think its a conspiracy.
You think its lies and imperialism.
Some don't care.
I think that nobody in England really cares about Cornwall and they certainly doesnt want to start stirring up hornest nests of lawyers and spending national effort on something that, in the wider context of the planet, is trivial.
I think what you see as "evil" I see as "disinterest".
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There's your conspiracy, for want of a better word.
"Conspiracy" is a term like "rape" and "murder"; it has moral and legal and conceptual implications that are very specific - I think you certainly want a better word
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There's your conspiracy, for want of a better word.
"Conspiracy" is a term like "rape" and "murder"; it has moral and legal and conceptual implications that are very specific - I think you certainly want a better word
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I think what you see as "evil" I see as "disinterest".
Mat, Even 'disinterest' in certain things can be categorised as 'evil'. With your African connection, you must be better understanding of that than most. However, you offer something in your reply above for me to get my teeth into and I shall give a proper response later this evening.
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