I have, on more than one occasion, indicated gaping inconsistencies in your arguments and claims. The most recent fallacious example being your claim that the UK is a democracy. Despite the plethora of evidence I have presented to you in support of my assertions, YOU have the gaul to level such an accusation at me! Freak, old pard, you have more neck than a giraffe!
As for his Blog, Moonshine, I can only venture that his indulgence in the ganja is more extensive than I otherwise imagined.
Hunlef, please can you try not to insult me, I just dont see what it achieves. I may not agree with you but I don't see why you need such aggression towards me. Its a shame.
Anyways...
I must have missed it as all I got from you was insults and accusations of insanity and drug use. Please show me where.
Its not a perfect democracy, I don't think these exist yet. But its a better democracy than say,North Korea now, or England 500 years ago
As above, I must have missed this. Appologies if the case.
I like to write, its my hobby. I write about many things, most of the time with the aim to make people chuckle or think. I just enjoy it, in a similar was as I enjoy good debate on forums and in person. Is that wrong?
I sense something in your agenda that is as hidden as your identity
Mat
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I am not comparing the UK with North Korea, I was making a comparison between the UK and its European and western neighbours who, although one may argue to the contrary, have far better democratic credentials than the UK. I would remind you that you have still to provide your reaction to my assertions relating to this point viz a viz the constitution, government and failure to implement effectively the terms and provisions of treaties and legally binding international obligations (outlined previously) by successive UK governments.
Your Blog makes me neither chuckle nor think. Some of your postings here offend me and others and I do not find you at all amusing or funny. I would remind you that, only when you are in possession of all the evidence and facts, are you in a position to argue. Whilst you maintain your unsubstantiated and vague stance, you will continue to offend others and I will hold you to account.
My identity is no more hidden than yours. As for my agenda, one might be forgiven for thinking it to be perfectly clear and unambiguous. However, the same cannot be said for yours.
I have just, in this last hour, reread the pages on JA's website. Specifically the very interesting "Brief history of the Duchy of Cornwall". I had a fairly good understanding of these before, thanks to TGG and the Wiki but I would say that the JA "essay" is the best on the subject.
So lets agree that that essay is the authoritative essay on the constitutional status and state of the Duchy. Lets also assume that every fact states in that essay is the case. Im happy to do that.
My point is, that relevant to that essay, there are two things that are not clear.
It is not clear to me what he means by "An administrative coup d’etat." This is central to the essay but I cant see what the coup is, in the secrion titled that.
The second thing is its just not clear what happens after 1858. Its just not there and I dont see that you can extrapolate onwards.
So, those are two things that remain unclear to me.
One thing that is clear though, is that "your issue" is far more with the Church and the Crown than with the Government and the English. Am I right in thinking this? If that is the case, which historically it should be, surly that makes "your" position much stronger?
Let me recap you on the history of this "tension" you have with me. I haven't commented on here for months until 2 weeks ago. I picked up someone else (I belive Moonshine) using the term "conspiracy".
I asked them to justify that, which you should do at every point you hear such talk. We must be skeptics about this. And after some good debate and some bad hostility from you, here we are. I haven't put over a stance.
If you want my stance, I believe that Cornwall is historically a seperate country to Engalnd. In an ideal world it would be great if "we could have it back". Just like it would be great if the Native Americans could have their land back. But I am a realist, the world just doesn't work like that, the implications of any kind of action would be to huge to be risked by any Government, not just the English. Its the way of the world (Do you have any counter examples?)
So for me the only path is the path of progressive politics, future facing, supporting and protecting Cornish Identity, Culture and History, at the ground level, in the schools and local media, not in the courts of Human Rights or some other faceless paper based institution.
I think the way to achieve this is via a pro Cornwall political party, who can get seats in Councils and, eventually, the houses of Parliament. Along side this process there should be generation of a slow ground swell for a referendum on a Cornish Assembly. Clearly MK is the only option here, but there is nothing to stop Cornish Nationalists who don't want to vote for MK setting up their own party.
I was born and raised here, my mums welsh my dad is English, I have always felt proud and very Cornish, since a boy. I think Cornwall has something really special about it in so many ways and I think its not getting the best from a disinterested Engish Government and action should be taken.
I'm not sure where your views are so opposed to mine. Im not sure where the differences lay that make you play such a ***** in this debate.
No idea.
But here is a fact that I want you to chew on, because its important:
There is no institution outside of Cornwall that will improve the quality of life of the people of Cornwall over and above any other part of the UK except by giving money.
Think about it
edited by: FreakoMbiko, Jun 02, 2008 - 04:38 PM
Freako Mbiko
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Maybe I am missing your point, but there are many instances of people "having their country back", not always in the state it was originally, in fact probably never in the original state, but at least they did get it "back".
There are all the commonwealth countries to start with, admit idly slightly different starting points, but not that different. And what about Wales and Scotland? What about Ireland?
Kernow Kensa!
Our day will come!
"Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
No, I have to disagree, the case of Ireland was almost totally because of past wrongs. In the other cases, it may well have been economically or politically expedient at the time, but it was as a result of past wrongs, and a knowledge of the history, that gave the initial impetus to generate the political climate that allowed the change.
Kernow Kensa!
Our day will come!
"Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
Ireland has peace it seems but the English are still there, they haven't left or given it back really. Its still 2 countries, before the English it was 1
I think that's not true, I think the Establishment would have loved to have kept hold of the Commonwealth, it just couldn't afford it (I may be wrong here???)
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I did say that it was not always in the original state. Southern Ireland is a sovereign state, so they got most of it back. Northern Ireland is sslloowwllyy getting there, whether it will eventually become part of a united Ireland or not remains to be seen, but at least they have some form of Home Rule.
The Establishment would have loved to have kept hold of the Empire, they could not partly because of economics, but also due to the growing political awareness in the separate parts of the Empire, which was brought about in part by the growing awareness of their history, and the past wrongs done to them.
The political climate to allow change was, probably, brought about by mostly economic reasons in the British Establishment, but it was the political awareness in the constituent countries of the Empire that forced their hand, in some instances even created the economic situation that existed. That is why there is, now, a Commonwealth, of independent Countries.
Kernow Kensa!
Our day will come!
"Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
True, but that's not why you quoted Ireland. You quoted Ireland in response to me saying that it has never happened that a country has been returned to its rightful owners for reasons of "righting a wrong". This has not happened with Ireland and you admit it probably will not.
I still maintain there is no example in history so far (Including the Commonwealth to my knowledge) where this has happened and that this is very compelling support for my claim that there will not be in the future.
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There seems to be a big play on extreme semantics here. Many examples exist of a country being 'returned to its rightful owners' in the 'gain of independence' from an occupying force or imposed control from outside. India bargained for that with Britain during and after the Second World War.
Most countries in Africa have gained their independence from British, French and the Portuguese, remaining countries around the world from British and French Empires and the former Yugoslavia has returned to constituent states. Ireland is almost there.
The 'wrong' that was righted in almost all is external control aginst the wishes.
The ex Soviet countries provide us with some of the most recent examples.
A recent visit by Andrew George to Iceland brought into sharp focus his growing concern about the slide of Cornwall over the precipice into extinction. "Icelandic people are proud and distinctive. Their pride and distinctiveness is the bedrock from which they can concentrate on their priorities and on success. Since achieving independence from Denmark in 1944 this relatively poor island has become one of the wealthiest nations on earth. It has a higher Gross Domestic Product per person than not only the United Kingdom, but France, Germany and Japan as well. It has achieved low inflation and a high standard of living, the highest life expectancy of any nation in the world and enviable prospects for the future. And all this with a population of 270,000 - little more than half that of Cornwall (approx. 500,000)."....So why isn't Mr George pushing more for an Assembly ?
I will give you that it is a question of perspective. Whilst the "giver back" of the country may well not say or admit that it has done so because of past wrongs, if you look at the political situation in the "receiving back" country, you will find that in almost all cases the initial force behind the "request", or fight, was down to those past wrongs and the history of that country. That country wanting past wrongs righted. I feel that you are looking at this from the wrong angel.
I maintain that it has happened in most cases. As with people, most wrong doers will do their level best to deny any wrong doing. In the "giving back" of countries, they're are hardly likely to say that they have done so due to their past treatment of that country, as that would be an admission that they would not wish to take. I think you need to look at it with the eyes of the "wronged", and take into account what helped create and maintain their independence/nationalist movement, that eventually won through.
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Our day will come!
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