He is a serial agitator pretending to be genuinly interested in discovering more about Cornwall.
His real agenda is to convince people that there are no ongoing rights abuses. The books are out there, but he will not read them. The relevant documents are available, but he will not access them. The facts are out there, but he will not accept them.
He keeps saying "produce evidence" as if he was a cross between the Lord chief Justice and the Spanish Inquisition - and people like you dance to his tune.
He must be pissing himself laughing. Stop pandering to his inflated ego.
I suspect new people come to this forum regularly, with no knowledge of what has been discussed before.
I see no harm in people challenging the views and statements of people who have been long term contributors, it might be tiresome, even irksome, but it DOES give the regulars the opportunity to outline their beliefs again.
Surely provocative newcomers giving opportunities of opening up established discussions keeps the issues in the public eye?
The majority of people who visit this site just read, and never contribute, remember that you are getting your points across no matter how many times you have done so before.
So what is the purpose of the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities?
So what is the purpose of the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities?
You are joking, surely?
We really do not have time for that, but it can certainly run in parallel with other measures. I am fully in agreement with John Angarrack’s suggestion that we must persist with the FCPNM action. It would be nice to know that everyone is also behind it. Spread the load and spread the cost.
I am more than convinced of it, because it is something that I have considered over a number of decades.
You seem to have misunderstood what I have said about C24, quoted here. I am only suggesting that it is an illustration of the existence of genocide and the consequentially tenuous nature of the Cornish Identity – an obvious measure.
What, for interests sake, would you expect to see for genocide (the non-physical variety) to manifest itself to you? In fact, what do you understand about the concept of psychological genocide?
No it is not a conspiracy. I am saying that it is collusion between the Queen & Duke and the enactment of a constitutional lie, which is blindly accepted de facto, and which has devastating consequences for the Cornish people. Please explain to me, without being dismissive, why I am wrong?
Please see previous response.
Please see previous response.
Can you prove it is not, whatever it is that you think I am saying, or offer this ‘other force’? Perhaps, the unspeakable evil of English Imperialism?
STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
Sentinel, I note your comments and your solution may eventually prove appropriate, but I also take Coady's point about making the Cornish aspects of the discussion known. It will all depend upon some substantive responses.
STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
i don't care if people belive there is a conspiricy or not the threat to Cornwall her culture, people and way of life is, in my opinion greater than I can remember in my lifetime. cultrally through the likes of culture south west who want to impose the metropolatian culture of the chattering classes of london on us while thay build english middle class housing estates in the form of so called eco towns and housing estates in cpr land steralising mineral reserves as thay go. this policy is little diferent in spirit to the israelly settlements in Palistine. all the time the Cornish people are economically and culturally marginalised in their own land. For what, to build the 'new tunisia for these feckless people!' All I here when there is discord in the Cornish movement is the laughter of westminster,the chattering classes and big ears.
Hmmmm...I realise how beneficial it is to keep reminding people of the situation, but that Freak guy is a serial denier of basic facts and a compulsive apologist for Government hostility towards the Cornish.
His intransigence is articululated in ways that a) make his stance look superficially believable and b) unjustly undermines the Cornish situation.
I cant see how interacting with this guy advances the cause.
Me nether, i have serious doubts that he is a active member of MK I know a lot of MK people as well as CSP both groups are fighting as hard as thay can in their own fields for the Cornish cause, some poeple crave atention or mearly argumentive pr*ts, I feal it simply saps peoples energy to be drawn into their world, The real enemy who has for years exploited Cornwall iso n the other side of the Tamer in a foriegn country which occupies ours,I don't want to waste time arguing with someown who has the mentality of a student union debating sociaty while the land I love is being concreted over and sold to people who have nothing but a patronising contempt for the real Cornwall and her people.
No. What Human rights abuses are going on in Cornwall?
I would need more than consideration to be convinced of such a monumental injustice.
I would need to see something that shows that people in england are activly trying to dilute the Cornish identity. This would need to be evidnce that showed it was not just the natural dilution that occurs when people mix. Demographic entropy.
No it is not a conspiracy. I am saying that it is collusion between the Queen & Duke and the enactment of a constitutional lie, which is blindly accepted de facto, and which has devastating consequences for the Cornish people. Please explain to me, without being dismissive, why I am wrong?[/quote]
We agree there is a problem the root causes of which layes historically at the hands of the Crown and perhaps the rest of the establishment.
You describe it as a conspiracy but say its not a "conspiarcy".
Your criteria for satisfaction are lower than mine. I want evidence of the conspiracy hypothesis.
Its that simple, Cornwall or the Moon landings, I wnat to see and asses the evidnce and then make my judgments.
Thats how we all should be...
[quote=TGG]Can you prove it is not, whatever it is that you think I am saying, or offer this ‘other force’? Perhaps, the unspeakable evil of English Imperialism? [/quite]
I accept and have accepted it may be aconspiarcy. It could be many things, of course. I have nothing to prove, Im not the one accusing others of collusion and lies against an ongoing deception.
Thanks
Mat
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Cornwall, in a legal sense, is a Duchy and outside English law.
This has in the past been argued by the Duchy itself to obtain the rights over the Cornish foreshore. I believe the Duchy menaced to use the same argument over Cornish territorial waters but didn't follow through.
Today the Duchy and UK government say that the Duchy is a private landed estate and that Cornwall is a county of England and always has been.
Somebody is lying somewhere. Who and why? Maybe not in an on going conspiratorial way but certainly whenever difficult questions are asked.
Now whether we accept the 'conspiracy' theory or not surely we can all agree that the people of Cornwall along with their constitution (because it is our sovereignty / Our Duchy) have been treated in a pretty shoddy way, and that this gives us all the reason in the world to ask questions, postulate theories and campaign for the truth.
Personally whether the conspiracy theory is close to the truth or not one thing is sure and that is its up to the government and Duchy to give us a clear and honest response. So in this light to propose credible theories in order to cast doubt on the Duchy and Governments reputation and therefore apply pressure for an honest response is perfectly acceptable.
Remember it is us who are in the right and it is they who should do the explaining.
Agreed on all points with the qualification that there are many possible causes and mechanisms for the ongoing "shoddyness" in which Cornwall is treated:
Perhaps the establishment sees the wrong and, as establishments do, is not prepared to admit culpability and take action.
Perhaps the Duke, through various means and in secret, conspired to get increasing control and revenue from the land he sees as his but knows, really, it is not.
As above but where he hasn't a clue. He is the KING, thats all he knows.
Perhaps the Bildeburg group, in 1982, sealed an agreement that, whatever happens, the main players are not going to let the little fish get any territory or special rights over other citizens of whatever country. Red Indjuns, Aboriginies, Basques, Cornish whatver.....
Perhaps the Bank of England says that the country just cant afford the constitutional and economic cost of righting an acknowledged wrong.
Perhaps personal and system ineffectiveness over the years and departments has meant that, well, the intention never gets realised.
Perhaps, the system, just isnt able to carry through such changes and so they are never allowed to get off.
Perhaps the government looked at the claims and though that it just did not need the hassle from this handful of bumpkins and so , in the wider interest of the country, it was, sadly, rejected and always will be.
There are many explanations, the above are just some dumb ones whipped out to illustrate. Im sure tehre would be some evidnce for all of the above, too...
The point is, nothing but compelling evidence will compel me to believe any one of them over any other.
That is my only point of contention here.
Mat
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I don't think you were "widly interested" in what I said, else you wouldn't have just picked that out after your skim read. Those were examples used to illustrate a point.
If you have nothing to say, say nothing
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