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FreakoMbiko Posted: 22.05.2008, 23:23

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P_Trembath: As for forgiving the English, forgiveness in itself is an empty gesture until the transgressor admits they have done something that requires forgiveness.

That isn't forgiveness it sounds more like an ultimatum or a swap. Forgiveness is not a deal, its a gift, and one that gives back many times more.

This is true I believe of groups and individuals.

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moonshine Posted: 22.05.2008, 23:26

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QuoteForgiveness is not a deal,


It is a deal with your own guilt.
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 22.05.2008, 23:44

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[quote=sharon]Some Buddhist you are, look at the amount of negativity in you post...[quote]

Dharma is realism, not pessimism or optimism icon_smile

[quote=sharon]Where do you see this hate, I would say that I am pretty active in and understanding of the Cornish situation...I don't see the hate you speak of, just good honest truthful people who are getting s**t on...

Ask the men who got wrongfully arrested about forgiveness you might learn what it really means...

So you think its Ok to build 70k houses in the dilution process do you?[quote]


I dont think its OK at all, none of that. I want to see Cornwall as an autonomous region that can control its laws and governance in line with the EU and control its own finances, across the board.

I want Cornwall to be something like The Ilse of Mann, only better.

I belive there is only one path to this goal. And that is the gradual promotion of Cornish independence and its benefits to Cornwall and the people who live here.

It will probably take decades.

There are a few other ways that my dream cornwall might happen.

1) Revolution. Dubious
3) Terrorism. I have a sneaking suspension that no Government would ever give in to any terrorist.
2) Legal Wranglings. This just cannot possibly work. Can you imagine it went to Europe in a very serious sense, if Europe said yes to Cornwall reclaiming its ancient right (Which I would love to see!!!!), imagine the shedload of other possible cases from all over the continent, its a precedent that could never be set, at least in this New Europe.
3) Public Opion, Just Swaying It. Perhaps a petition, maybe if everyone on the Cornish electoral role said yes to independence they would have to give it to us, I'm not sure??? But swaying public opinion is a key part of the slow political approach, anyways. [quote]


[quote=sharon]The mere fact that you say I am a Buddist makes you not one... [quote]

Ummm Ok , I guess I haven't got to that bit yet :/



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Mike Posted: 22.05.2008, 23:55

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Quiet down you mad Zulu, its devolution not revolution required (or the Tribute in The Western must be strong) icon_biggrin icon_lol icon_biggrin
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moonshine Posted: 23.05.2008, 01:02

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Charlie got Camilla to bang up a plaque in a school in Exeter as a Duchess of Cornwall name promo. Of all the schools in Britain she went to the "West of England School and College for young people with little or no sight."

Expect a Duchess in Cornwall in the near future, at a place with England or South West in its name. icon_wink
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 23.05.2008, 07:03

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MikeQuiet down you mad Zulu, its devolution not revolution required (or the Tribute in The Western must be strong) icon_biggrin icon_lol icon_biggrin


LOL! I agree icon_smile



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P_Trembath Posted: 23.05.2008, 09:17

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P_Trembath As for forgiving the English, forgiveness in itself is an empty gesture until the transgressor admits they have done something that requires forgiveness.


That isn't forgiveness it sounds more like an ultimatum or a swap. Forgiveness is not a deal, its a gift, and one that gives back many times more.

This is true I believe of groups and individuals.

Be well icon_smile


Just as an aside, and I apologize for going off topic, but what do you believe the Tibetans would be given back if they were to forgive the Chinese for what they have done?



Kernow Kensa!


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FreakoMbiko Posted: 23.05.2008, 10:07

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P_Trembathwhat do you believe the Tibetans would be given back if they were to forgive the Chinese for what they have done?



As HH The Dalai Lama has readily acknolwedged, there is no way China is going to withdraw it's "occupation".

I think that the invasion and occupation of Tibet is a huge world-crime that has been going on for 5 decades. I don't think the fact Cornwall has been variously subsumed into England over centuries is even remotely comparable icon_smile





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P_Trembath Posted: 23.05.2008, 11:41

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P_Trembathwhat do you believe the Tibetans would be given back if they were to forgive the Chinese for what they have done?



As HH The Dalai Lama has readily acknolwedged, there is no way China is going to withdraw it's "occupation".

I think that the invasion and occupation of Tibet is a huge world-crime that has been going on for 5 decades. I don't think the fact Cornwall has been variously subsumed into England over centuries is even remotely comparable icon_smile



Are you a politician?

I have never said that the two situations are, at present comparable, other than they both have been transgressed against, and therefore have something to "forgive". The question was what would the Tibetans achieve by forgiving the Chinese?



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piskey6 Posted: 23.05.2008, 12:04

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We are all politicians Trembath, just some of us spend less energy avoiding the label.
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TGG Posted: 23.05.2008, 12:13

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FreakoMbiko - Posted: 22.05.2008, 21:12Im not being arrogant Jim, I have spent lots of time amoungst conspiracy theories (salted.net) and I know by now that as soon as there mention of conspiracy you have to be extra scpetical and extra rational.

Historal unfairness, yes.

Current unfairness, I certainly think so.

But a current conspiracy, thats a paradign shift.

I am not talking about conspiracy, but for the record, my specific focus on the Cornish Paradox is in showing its direct relationship to 'genocide'.

The point that I am seeking to make is that not having read the book, you can prejudge it as "biased". Since everything we read is inherently "biased", I am suggesting that you were arrogantly presenting 'that opinion' (for public consumption) to place it into a negative context.

FreakoMbiko - Posted: 22.05.2008, 21:12
TGG>>>Give an example of what you would truly accept as 'evidence'? Your mind is already made up and closed to the possibility of there being any! icon_smile

I would want incriminating facts of conspiracy pertaining to institutional or governmental dishonesty, fraud, coercion or any other wrong doing.

Note that I wont be happy with evidence of unfairness because I agree with you there, fully, Cornwall is treated unfairly.

If you show me the evidence of a real conspiracy, and if it proves it, I'll belive it...

I could offer something, but I can do no better, at this stage, than point you towards the book 'in question', which provides much more substantive evidence. icon_eek

FreakoMbiko - Posted: 22.05.2008, 21:12
And I'm never arrogant, please icon_smile A bit of a *****, maybes icon_smile

Arrogantly opinionated on some things, perhaps, but never a *****. icon_smile

TGG For The (Real)Reason Why!

The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within this island.
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P_Trembath Posted: 23.05.2008, 12:15

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piskey6We are all politicians Trembath, just some of us spend less energy avoiding the label.


Its avoiding answering the question that bugs me.



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piskey6 Posted: 23.05.2008, 12:49

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When the questions are more like bullets then you dodge, surely?

Let the ballot box be the judge of whether you acted bravely or cowardly.
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gravydave Posted: 23.05.2008, 14:01

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edited by: gravydave, May 23, 2008 - 02:04 PM

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P_Trembath Posted: 23.05.2008, 19:00

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piskey6When the questions are more like bullets then you dodge, surely?

Let the ballot box be the judge of whether you acted bravely or cowardly.


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