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Coady Posted: 23.05.2008, 23:53

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Its incredible, really unbelievable, that contributors to C24 are debating such 'fine detail' when it has been announced that in next year's Cornwall elections, we will only be able to vote for the 82 places as per the 'old County Council' instead of any enhanced number of posititions as reccomended to the Boundary Commission..... democracy DIES in Cornwall as you lot witter nonsense....
...do, please, WAKE UP!

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P_Trembath Posted: 24.05.2008, 00:03

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Kernow Kensa!


Our day will come!


"Everyone has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
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Mike Posted: 24.05.2008, 00:52

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CoadyIts incredible, really unbelievable, that contributors to C24 are debating such 'fine detail' when it has been announced that in next year's Cornwall elections, we will only be able to vote for the 82 places as per the 'old County Council' instead of any enhanced number of posititions as reccomended to the Boundary Commission..... democracy DIES in Cornwall as you lot witter nonsense....
...do, please, WAKE UP!

Graham.


This has been discussed/voted on at length on here as has the topic been brought up by Councillor Hicks on radio. If there were a greater number of 'councillors' Coady they could well be of the same ilk as we have now, so no difference but greater expence. Tell us what we have to wake up to and what we could have done about it.
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 25.05.2008, 14:23

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FreakoMbiko - Posted: 22.05.2008, 21:12
TGG>>>Give an example of what you would truly accept as 'evidence'? Your mind is already made up and closed to the possibility of there being any! icon_smile

I would want incriminating facts of conspiracy pertaining to institutional or governmental dishonesty, fraud, coercion or any other wrong doing.

Note that I wont be happy with evidence of unfairness because I agree with you there, fully, Cornwall is treated unfairly.

If you show me the evidence of a real conspiracy, and if it proves it, I'll belive it...

I could offer something, but I can do no better, at this stage, than point you towards the book 'in question', which provides much more substantive evidence. icon_eek
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That is my point exactly Jim, There is no evidence that can be stated in anything even resembling a fact which you can present. So after repeated requests for evidence from various people, there is not one jot.

What am I supposed to react like to that? Please tell me! icon_smile


I believe we went to the moon, 100%, no questions. There appears to be thousands of times more evidence for Hoax Moon Landings than for an English Conspiracy against Cornwall.


Anyone who holds such a position is holding something preposterous and insubstantial, and in holding it all they do is make more negativity in Cornwall (Not, incidentally, any where else, Cornish Negativity just effects us)

We need to drop the "war talk" and forgive and move on, its called Progress.

Nothing stays the same, so your either a progressive for cornall or a regressive, which ultimatly makes you against it.

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Thats how I see it.

Progress. Its why we are not all living in Thatched Huts on the moors icon_smile


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moonshine Posted: 25.05.2008, 15:16

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QuoteThat is my point exactly Jim, There is no evidence that can be stated in anything even resembling a fact which you can present. So after repeated requests for evidence from various people, there is not one jot.


Every statement of fact contained in JA's latest book is backed up by primary source information.

I suggest you read it before continuing your postings on the subjects it deals with.
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 25.05.2008, 15:28

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QuoteThat is my point exactly Jim, There is no evidence that can be stated in anything even resembling a fact which you can present. So after repeated requests for evidence from various people, there is not one jot.


Every statement of fact contained in JA's latest book is backed up by primary source information.

I suggest you read it before continuing your postings on the subjects it deals with.



I don't get why its so hard to give one fact from the book?

In other conspiracies we can:

The distance between the book depository and where Kennedy was killed is to far for a Marksman of Oswald's skill and the rifles scope.

The hole in the side of the Pentagon is only 16 ft across, this is too small to be the impact of a fuel laden passenger get at 400 miles per hour.

Nobody can provide one bit of fact like this pertaining to Cornwall, based on this am I not allowed to question the validity of the claim? Or shall I just blindly accept it like others seem to have?



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moonshine Posted: 25.05.2008, 15:50

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Did you not wonder why the Admin of C24 gave the JA website its own sticky closed topic at the top of the main forum page?
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TGG Posted: 25.05.2008, 18:15

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FreakoMbiko - Posted: 25.05.2008, 14:23That is my point exactly Jim, There is no evidence that can be stated in anything even resembling a fact which you can present. So after repeated requests for evidence from various people, there is not one jot.

What am I supposed to react like to that? Please tell me! icon_smile

We need to drop the "war talk" and forgive and move on, its called Progress.

Mat, we have had this discussion before and I know the automaton - sorry, automatic! icon_eek - ideological response to me answering your question. I would, therefore, be interested in your response to it - as I would also be interested in the response to it by, for example, MK and others - once you have read 'the book'?. I would certainly personally point to:
  • - the highest level collusion to lie about the Duchy of Cornwall,
  • - the absence of a 'Cornish' educational curriculum, and,
  • - the absolute refusal by 'the Imperial State' to recognise the Cornish national minority and bring us under the protection of the Framework Convention.
I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT IT IS READ WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THE FOLLOWING:
Lemkin’s definition of Genocide (TGG underlining):
"Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups. Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group."

"Genocide has two phases: one, destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor. This imposition, in turn, may be made upon the oppressed population which is allowed to remain or upon the territory alone, after removal of the population and the colonization by the oppressor's own nationals."


Not all progress is good, and progress is also about recognition of peoples' rights. Your emotive use of "war talk" is just another ploy to regrettably intimidate and plant the concept of negativity into gullible minds. I would have expected better! icon_frown

Similarly, you also seek to plant the equally unreasonable emotive concept, 'capitulate to the lies', or else....! icon_confused You are not talking about progress but simply alternatively representing the phrase, "lay back and think of England!" icon_eek

TGG For The (Real)Reason Why!

edited 25/05 22:24 to modify underlining.



edited by: TGG, May 25, 2008 - 10:24 PM

STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 25.05.2008, 21:11

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Jim,

I give Up. I asked for possible facts and none are given and then I get insulted and accused of "ploys" (What possible thing could I have to gain from any ploy? If your this untrusting of everyone who doesn't agree with you 100%....) because I refuse to accept the absence of facts blindly.

The reason nobody has given any facts, not you Jim or not anyone else in this thread, I believe so far, is because there are none.


Show me the facts.

Mat


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moonshine Posted: 25.05.2008, 21:54

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QuoteThe reason nobody has given any facts, not you Jim or not anyone else in this thread, I believe so far, is because there are none.


The website explains the facts, can't you read?>

1. The county of Cornwall sits firmly within the Duchy of Cornwall.

2. The Duchy of Cornwall is the whole of Cornwall.

3. Prince Charles is head of state of Cornwall and his Government is the Duchy of Cornwall.

4. England cannot have two Sovereigns so either Cornwall is part of England or Prince Charles is lying.

5. You seem a bit thick when if comes to understanding what people put on websites.
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TGG Posted: 25.05.2008, 22:14

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Mat, I have no wish, nor intention, to insult anyone (particularly your good self) nor, hopefully, do I. I find the inclusion of emotive references to 'hate', 'war', or any emotive phraseology as mischievous. Not saying that you are necessarily guilty of such things (other than the case I specifically referenced) but unless such references are substantiated, then they are entirely mischievous. What, for example, was the basis of your ref to "war talk"?

You say that nobody has given any facts. Are you, therefore, saying that my points, above, are unsubstantiated lies? What do you consider as facts?

You referred in an earlier posting to the concept of a conspiracy being "a paradigm shift". I agree with that, but until people give the matter some serious thought, as with the concept of genocide, it will not receive the proper debate that is required. It seems impossible to me to read the catalogue of events in 'the book' and not begin to see a pattern, which reinforces my hypothesis of genocide.

TGG For The (Real)Reason Why!

ps neither do I subscribe to personal points and completely deprecate and disassociate myself from Moonshine's point '5' in the immediately preceding posting

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edited by: TGG, May 25, 2008 - 10:19 PM

STOP THE CORNISH GENOCIDE!- The existence of divergent views occur because the lies and deception have a more profoundly negative, and contrived, consequence for the Cornish people than for anyone else within the UK.
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 26.05.2008, 05:06

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[quote=moonshine]
QuoteThe reason nobody has given any facts, not you Jim or not anyone else in this thread, I believe so far, is because there are none.


The website explains the facts, can't you read?>

1. The county of Cornwall sits firmly within the Duchy of Cornwall.

2. The Duchy of Cornwall is the whole of Cornwall.

3. Prince Charles is head of state of Cornwall and his Government is the Duchy of Cornwall.

4. England cannot have two Sovereigns so either Cornwall is part of England or Prince Charles is lying.
/quote]


I understand that fully. I also agree, as I have stated on midcornwall.com, that there is clearly historical issue. That isnt what is being disvcussed. I am asking for evidence of a current Conspiracy.

There is none.



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FreakoMbiko Posted: 26.05.2008, 05:38

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TGGYou say that nobody has given any facts. Are you, therefore, saying that my points, above, are unsubstantiated lies? What do you consider as facts?


They are not facts pertaining to a current conspiracy perpetrated by the English establishment.

TGGYou referred in an earlier posting to the concept of a conspiracy being "a paradigm shift". I agree with that, but until people give the matter some serious thought, as with the concept of genocide, it will not receive the proper debate that is required. It seems impossible to me to read the catalogue of events in 'the book' and not begin to see a pattern, which reinforces my hypothesis of genocide.



Once you start talking "patterns" rather than "facts"....


I will wager there is not one provable conspiratorial fact in that book, just patterns that can be interpreted countless ways.




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moonshine Posted: 26.05.2008, 05:41

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Try getting the authorities to confirm what you think you understand fully.

And blog what you experience.
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 26.05.2008, 06:07

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moonshineTry getting the authorities to confirm what you think you understand fully.

And blog what you experience.




So... rather than suggest a "Potential Fact of Conspiracy" you now suggest I speak to the authorities about a conspiracy I don't believe in, and that there is no evidence for, and then when they don't answer I should.... what?... assume the Conspiracy is true. Joker.




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