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P_Trembath Posted: 27.05.2008, 21:50

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FreakoMbiko The Holocaust of the Jews was the first planned industrial Genocide in history; there was extraction, displacement, and then factory death.

It was not invaders killing the invaded in attepts to gain control and surpress rebellion.


So it is the method of death, and the fact that it was conducted with modern industrial methods that you feel makes 1 more reprehensible than the other. But, surly large scale forced death is equally reprehensible whatever the method used. The only difference between the 2 methods of extermination were that the Nazis used their considerable organisational skills to keep the extermination of the Jews and others they wished to get rid of, most from countries that they had invaded, behind "closed doors", they kept it away from the local populace. The majority of terror inflicted was confined to those being exterminated, whereas in the case of the mass extermination off the Cornish, it was carried out in front of those who were left behind. The terror inflicted on the population was an integral part of the "operation", as in more recent similar events Rwanda for example.


FreakoMbikoI don't know much about the Cornish Holocaust (Is it differnt to the Prayer Book rebelion?) but would like to learn if anyone can point some refs.

If there is evdience that the Cornish Holocaust was comparable to the Holocast of The Jews, I will humbly accept my mistaken view of this.


How is it possible to claim that one state engineered mass murder, or ethnic cleansing, was in any way more or less vile and reprehensible than any other. To do so, I believe, completely misses the lessons that we should all should have learnt from the Jewish holocaust. It is always wrong, it should never be repeated, it should never be forgotten. To make such a claim is surly an insult to all those who died, and survived.



FreakoMbikoBut lets assume that there was, relavant to the time and populate, a true Holocaust like the Jews, Kulacks or Rwanda, that in every sense it was of the same relative magnitude of crime and evil as these others.

Even so, one cannot ignore the fact that time does and should heal wounds. That's of crucial importance.


It is true that Time heals, but unfortunately with the passage of time we tend to forget. To forget such events is a fast track to such events being repeated. That is surly more important.


FreakoMbikoMany people in this forum instantly assume that unless I agree with them in every fact I am the enemy and anti-cornish and Pro-Royal and all that.... thats really narrow minded of you, if that is you.


If everyone were to agree with each other, wouldn't this world be boring. Personally, I ask questions to learn, even if it is only what someone else thinks. I make statements to put my point of view across. The only "enemies" I have are those who refuse to debate openly, those who believe that they are right and no other opinion has any relevance. I do not believe that you are "anti-Cornish", and I do not care if you are "pro-Royal" or not, please do not commit the sin that you fear you see in others.



FreakoMbikoI am English and Cornish.......


As they say, that is your choice, I believe it to be wrong, and that is mine, I would prefer Cornish and British.


FreakoMbiko........I hope one day I get the chance to choose just one, and then it will be Cornish, without question. And I will be as proud as all of you who romantically cling to the idea that your all Celtic warriors fighting for a land that doesn't, and probably never did, exist in the way you romantcise it.


You paint a rather flowery picture. Warrior, not too keen on the sight of my own blood. "Fighting for a land that doesn't exist", your opinion, mine, fighting for a land that is repressed, and should be allowed to exist freely.


FreakoMbikoIf that is how you want to see things, cool, I have no beef, but dont take issue with me because I dont feel like you.

I am not taking "issue" with you, but if you post something on a public forum then you should be prepared to be questioned on it.


FreakoMbikoIf you want a better Cornwall for the Cornish then we are on the same side.

Cool. But can we still debate what a better Cornwall will be, and how we will achieve it?


FreakoMbikoBut I think some of you here really, just love the importance you feel this phantom battle gives you.


There is no battle.


Unfortunately, there is, otherwise Cornwall would already be the better place we all want.


FreakoMbikoThere is just History and Future.

Unfortunately, the two are not mutually exclusive.



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morgarrow Posted: 28.05.2008, 18:55

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QuoteYou need to provide answers and reasoning rather than insults.


Agree FreakoMbiko! Seems to be the trend these days particularly on forums. This is a public forum and anyone can look in and see the quality of political debate. Unfortunately it seems that some people don't understand the meaning of debate or are not too bothered about building up support for the Cornish movement. Maybe they're too politically immature to understand that doing a 'Mr Angry' doesn't do us any favours.
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Mike Posted: 28.05.2008, 19:58

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I don't think there is any threat to any 'Cornish Movement' by criticising Freiko, if you read back through what he's been saying. Such naivity of matters Cornish, confused thinking, etc would render it impossible to believe he has anything to do with Cornish politics or even the Cornish Woman's Institute. icon_frown
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Hunlef Posted: 29.05.2008, 00:30

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QuoteI am English and Cornish,


You're an English and Cornish man who's never heard of John Angarrack, and you're in MK, and you think you're in a phantom battle with those who are only Cornish, not English who are fighting you back as romanticised Celtic Warriors, fighting over a land that doesn't, and probably never did, exist?

And you want sensible answers back to your postings?

You need a shrink.


I think a witch-doctor would be a more appropriate professional for this poor unfortunate to consult. Is there anyone out there in his 'Wonderful Country of Africa' who would be prepared to 'point the bone' at him to facilitate some sort of recovery?

'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
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gravydave Posted: 29.05.2008, 01:06

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I have listen to a short bit of JA-live he talks with real facts and information, so why not be leader of the pack he is what you need in your fight but he is just a writer not a politician. Why will he not lead you? is he unable? or is flawed?

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GrahamHart Posted: 29.05.2008, 01:20

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gravydave Posted: 29.05.2008, 01:39

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How rude. I live in Cornwall I have as much right as anyone to post on this site.

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moonshine Posted: 29.05.2008, 11:45

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QuoteWhy will he not lead you? is he unable? or is flawed?


Quotebut he is just a writer not a politician.


The answer is in your question.

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Nosdan Posted: 29.05.2008, 12:11

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Just because someone has researched and collated all the evidence that justifies what some of us have been saying for years, and other have been saying for years before us, Doesn't make them our leader?

Do you think the next prime minister should be a historian/investigative journalist?

Actually, the more i think of it, a PM whose NOT a politician makes a lot of sense. icon_lol

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sharon Posted: 29.05.2008, 12:29

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QuoteHow rude. I live in Cornwall I have as much right as anyone to post on this site.


You don't have to live in Cornwall to post on this site.

You should show respect to other posters who obviously know more than you about Cornwall and Cornish issues. (If you want to learn that is)




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shrdlu Posted: 29.05.2008, 12:37

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sharonYou do have to respect other posters and their knowledge and expertise on Cornwall.

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sharon Posted: 29.05.2008, 13:19

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sharonYou do have to respect other posters and their knowledge and expertise on Cornwall.

not bin 'ere long, av'ee maid?


Here as in C24 I joined Jan 06

First time I ever came to Cornwall was 1999

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FreakoMbiko Posted: 29.05.2008, 14:04

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P_TrembathIt is true that Time heals, but unfortunately with the passage of time we tend to forget. To forget such events is a fast track to such events being repeated. That is surly more important.


I think that worry is gone now, really I do. These are different times and the world is moving towards a greater unity day by day (Though I fear a class of Civilizations, that's another story).

I also, and importantly, don't think any of this should be forgotten. Teach it in schools, tell all the people, absolutely. Im not saying forget, Im saying move and and make a better Cornwall.

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P_Trembath Posted: 29.05.2008, 14:28

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P_TrembathIt is true that Time heals, but unfortunately with the passage of time we tend to forget. To forget such events is a fast track to such events being repeated. That is surly more important.


I think that worry is gone now, really I do. These are different times and the world is moving towards a greater unity day by day (Though I fear a class of Civilizations, that's another story).


Unfortunately, I think you are very wrong. The times we live in are not really that different from those that came before. The fact that "we" seem to live in enlightened times, where the powers that be, in the western world, give lip service to the rights of the individual etc. We only have to look at recent events to realise how close we have been in recent years to having one group of British society despised and blamed for the evil acts of a few. It is only a very small step from such a situation to a similar one that occurred in Germany in the 30's. The unity you see is very shallow and weak.

There is also to be considered the very real situation we face regarding fuel, food and water. It has been suggested, seriously, that one or more of those issues is likely to cause another global / semi global conflict, that would make the last 2 "world" wars look like a minor disagreement between friends. It is quite likely that concepts such as human rights, and even the Geneva convention would be firmly confined to the history books.



FreakoMbikoI also, and importantly, don't think any of this should be forgotten. Teach it in schools, tell all the people, absolutely. I'm not saying forget, I'm saying move and and make a better Cornwall.
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I am so glad that you agree that none of this should be forgotten.

As for saying move on and make a better Cornwall, to move on, which we all want to do, you have to know where you are starting from.



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FreakoMbiko Posted: 29.05.2008, 14:44

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P_TrembathUnfortunately, I think you are very wrong. The times we live in are not really that different from those that came before. The fact that "we" seem to live in enlightened times, where the powers that be, in the western world, give lip service to the rights of the individual etc.


We only have to look at recent events to realise how close we have been in recent years to having one group of British society despised and blamed for the evil acts of a few. It is only a very small step from such a situation to a similar one that occurred in Germany in the 30's. The unity you see is very shallow and weak.[/quote]


I have thought about this issue lots, and totally agree its not clear cut.

Maybe I just have my head in the sand, that's very possible. But I think that the greater communication access and information access we have now, will act as a stop break on any kind of runaway totalitarianism or, far more likely, autonomous hegemony.

I just cant see that the kind of sequences required would ever start rolling.

By the way, my optimism here is only about the Developed world. I think the developing world is going to continue to be absolutely fucked, largely by us.

P_TrembathThere is also to be considered the very real situation we face regarding fuel, food and water. It has been suggested, seriously, that one or more of those issues is likely to cause another global / semi global conflict, that would make the last 2 "world" wars look like a minor disagreement between friends. It is quite likely that concepts such as human rights, and even the Geneva convention would be firmly confined to the history books.



Its a scary picture; and one magnified hugely by the population explosion over the next few decades; especially in the developing world.


But I think for the people of Cornwall, there is no issue relevant to any of these dire predictions that are is not relevant to the people of Europe as a whole.


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