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Who will sort 'the Duchy' out, and how?

sentinel Posted: 09.06.2008, 08:21



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When seeking to obtain greater autonomy, the biggest problem we face is the Duchy of Cornwall > 'private estate' scam. Who will sort this out, and how? What, exactly, are MK, CL, SP doing about it?

I know MK want more hospital beds, SP want Stannary Law re-introduced and CL want towns to adopt St Pirans Day as a holiday, but how does this help overcome our biggest problem?



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FreakoMbiko Posted: 09.06.2008, 08:38

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sentinelWhen seeking to obtain greater autonomy, the biggest problem we face is the Duchy of Cornwall > 'private estate' scam. Who will sort this out, and how? What, exactly, are MK, CL, SP doing about it?

I know MK want more hospital beds, SP want Stannary Law re-introduced and CL want towns to adopt St Pirans Day as a holiday, but how does this help overcome our biggest problem? edited by: sentinel, Jun 09, 2008 - 07:22 AM


Hi

Interesting question icon_smile

What would your ideal end game be for the Dutchy Estate? EG Disolved and all land turned into... and all revenue....

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Hunlef Posted: 09.06.2008, 08:50

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sentinelWhen seeking to obtain greater autonomy, the biggest problem we face is the Duchy of Cornwall > 'private estate' scam. Who will sort this out, and how? What, exactly, are MK, CL, SP doing about it?

I know MK want more hospital beds, SP want Stannary Law re-introduced and CL want towns to adopt St Pirans Day as a holiday, but how does this help overcome our biggest problem? edited by: sentinel, Jun 09, 2008 - 07:22 AM


I agree 100% with you Sentinel. The dead hand of he Duchy of Cornwall, with its plethora of unfair, discriminatory laws and the sycophantic apparatus of state needs to be dealt with. I have stated this on this forum many, many times in the past but, sadly, the reaction to it has always been the same. I recall months and months ago posting information about the Crown Proceedings Act (1947) that gives the Duke of Cornwall the, 'right to control or otherwise intervene in proceedings that affect his rights, property and profits'.

That , in itself, is a mind-boggling legal provision for the benefit of one man and this country prides itself in its democratic credentials!!!!

I do not recall reading one comment in support of my assertions since the 'conversation' routinely reverts to the customary bromide and I am beginning to get very concerned about the so called Cornish movement. If it cannot be bothered to take note of such unfair and unjust legal provisions that directly discriminate against the Cornish, then the future does not bode well.

Fortunately, Mr John Angarrack, in his excellent new book, 'Scat T'larrups' takes note of this outrage (and a whole pile of others) and identifies a possible way forward to overcome this royal dead hand. In this case, it would seem that repeated legal challenges are necessary (all of which would be lost in the biased UK courts) with the ultimate aim of ending up in one of the European courts such as the ECHR.

If the Cornish movement wants what it asks for, then it must be prepared to undertake these challenges at significant financial cost. In Mr Angarrack, I think we have a way forward. What do you think, Sentinel?

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Nosdan Posted: 09.06.2008, 11:23

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QuoteWhat would your ideal end game be for the Dutchy Estate? EG Disolved and all land turned into... and all revenue....



I have no problem with the exsistance of the Duchy. I would be quite happy if it continued to exsist as long as it help out the Cornish for a change. Much the same as the English monarchy, its a two way street. We pay for them, they bring back revenue for us... (People can always argue there true value, but thats for a different thread.)

of course some severe amendments to the law need to be undertaken, in respect to his rights...

Alternatively we could scrap the Duchy altogether, but I fear that would scupper any chance of devolution on territorial grounds, as I'm sure we would be absorbed into England (de jure).

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sentinel Posted: 09.06.2008, 14:29



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As far as I can see, Angarrack seeks recognition under the Framework Convention. He does not suggest a way out of the Duchy fix other than education of such matters fostering the critical mass necessary to effect change. This is a long term solution.

Lets see what MK, SP and CL have to say on the matter.

Regards the Duchy estates, he can have them provided we get out national identity and status back.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 09.06.2008, 15:19

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QuoteIf the Cornish movement wants what it asks for, then it must be prepared to undertake these challenges at significant financial cost. In Mr Angarrack, I think we have a way forward. What do you think, Sentinel?


I'm sure this is just going to spiral off into abuse again, but here goes. Hunlef/sentinal why can't you just come out and say 'We want your money'?

How much money do you need? Where will it be kept while waiting? What guarantees do we have that it won't just vanish?

Now I expect these questions have made you angry and I await the abuse, but try to understand that people are very careful about giving away their cash and if you can address their concerns perhaps they might give you MORE money.

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sentinel Posted: 09.06.2008, 16:12



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I speak only for myself, but if people give me money I shall catch the first plane to Ireland and give IJ a clip round the ear for his cheek.
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IrishJack Posted: 09.06.2008, 16:22

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Its cheeky to ask what relevance the cornish movement has to actual cornish people? Rather than the rarified linguistic collective?

Ahh if only you could occupy redruth townhall and create your own commune icon_razz

But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions, backbiting and esoteric language drivel

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 09.06.2008, 16:30

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IrishJackIts cheeky to ask what relevance the cornish movement has to actual cornish people? Rather than the rarified linguistic collective?

Ahh if only you could occupy redruth townhall and create your own commune icon_razz


No but it IS cheeky to try and stereotype the Cornish movement as arcane linguistic druids, that is just not true.

The CSP, MK, Celtic League, CoSERG, CoBER, Costitutional Convention etc seem to me to be anything but.

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IrishJack Posted: 09.06.2008, 16:40

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OK, just the bits with the highest public profile are arcane linguists and druids.

How much does the constituency of these organisations vary? Different places same faces?

Seriously, does anyone really take the CSP and Celtic League as being significant to cornish people, politically or in the long term?

MK are hardly a vibrant party active on the ground across cornwall, (oh I forgot thats the medias fault not theirs). The party of St Just and Leedstown?

Constutional Convention was arguably the most effective and generally supported by cornish people of those organisations listed, is this because it was lead by more politically adroit people such as Cllr Biscoe? Theres a man who knows how to build a profile.





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But I'm starting to think that it won't for us cornish, no unity, no leadership, but lots of factions, backbiting and esoteric language drivel

The Bureaucracy needs to expand to meet the needs of the Bureaucracy

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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 09.06.2008, 16:49

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QuoteHow much does the constituency of these organisations vary? Different places same faces?


There is some overlap but not that much.

QuoteSeriously, does anyone really take the CSP and Celtic League as being significant to cornish people, politically or in the long term?

MK are hardly a vibrant party active on the ground across cornwall, (oh I forgot thats the medias fault not theirs). The party of St Just and Leedstown?


Can't really say but I know they all need to do more to build their public profile in the Duchy.
Whenever their is a public event of any sort how hard would it be for one member from each group to go along and hand out flyers? At every protest for every factory / hospital closure we need activists supporting and educating.

QuoteConstutional Convention was arguably the most effective and generally supported by cornish people of those organisations listed, is this because it was lead by more politically adroit people such as Cllr Biscoe? Theres a man who knows how to build a profile.


Perhaps but the CCC has been bit wet recently and sadly lacking from the whole Unitary debate; and don't even mention the Duchy.

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sentinel Posted: 10.06.2008, 08:06



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Hey Verity, it has been shown that the biggest obstacle to MK's primary goal of Cornish self-determination is the Duke and his Duchy 'private estate' scam.

Lots of me-too buzz words like sustainability, poverty and social deprivation, but whats MK doing to overcome this fundamental hurdle to real progress?
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 10.06.2008, 18:09

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QuoteLots of me-too buzz words like sustainability, poverty and social deprivation, but whats MK doing to overcome this fundamental hurdle to real progress?


I think the point is that they don't see the Duchy as the biggest hurdle. They disagree with you and your analysis.

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myghall Posted: 10.06.2008, 18:44



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QuoteWho will sort 'the Duchy' out, and how? - I speak only for myself, but if people give me money I shall catch the first plane to Ireland and give IJ a clip round the ear for his cheek.

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sentinel Posted: 10.06.2008, 19:56



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Fulup, I didnt realise you were MK spokesman.

Is that the case? Or have MK suddenly lost their tongue?

If the Duchy scenario is not our biggest problem to advancement, can MK explain what they see as their biggest hurdle to achieving self-determination [their words]and set out what they are doing to overcome it?
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