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Who will sort 'the Duchy' out, and how?

Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 10.06.2008, 20:18

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sentinelFulup, I didnt realise you were MK spokesman.

Is that the case? Or have MK suddenly lost their tongue?

If the Duchy scenario is not our biggest problem to advancement, can MK explain what they see as their biggest hurdle to achieving self-determination [their words]and set out what they are doing to overcome it?


No I never claimed to be an MK spokesperson but I have taken note of comments made by their members on this forum and before we go any further I am not saying I disagree with your analysis, but rather people will always disagree within the Cornish movement and that is something we just have to live with in a positive and constructive way.

Why not ask MK your question? I know C Jenkin is a member of this forum.

Anyway how about it why not takeover and clean up the Celtic league then you can use it to focus on the Duchy issue.



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FreakoMbiko Posted: 10.06.2008, 20:24

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sentinelFulup, I didnt realise you were MK spokesman.

Is that the case? Or have MK suddenly lost their tongue?

If the Duchy scenario is not our biggest problem to advancement, can MK explain what they see as their biggest hurdle to achieving self-determination [their words]and set out what they are doing to overcome it?


No I never claimed to be an MK spokesperson but I have taken note of comments made by their members on this forum and before we go any further I am not saying I disagree with your analysis, but rather people will always disagree within the Cornish movement and that is something we just have to live with in a positive and constructive way.

Why not ask MK your question? I know C Jenkin is a member of this forum.

Anyway how about it why not takeover and clean up the Celtic league then you can use it to focus on the Duchy issue.edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Jun 10, 2008 - 09:18 PM



Im in MK, but I am not a spokesman, but I am pretty sure that the reason MK are not taking this on is because its not a party political issue?

MK are a political party, they are not a pressure group or a constitutional revolutionary movement.

There are many paths to greater Cornish freedoms, MK is only one.

Surely we should all be helping each other along our paths rather than squabble and fraction?

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sentinel Posted: 10.06.2008, 20:40



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Surely it makes sense to set about overcoming what is singularly the biggest hurdle to MK success?
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 10.06.2008, 22:15

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sentinelSurely it makes sense to set about overcoming what is singularly the biggest hurdle to MK success?


So how would MK go about that?



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Hunlef Posted: 10.06.2008, 22:20

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It certainly ought to make sense to anyone with an ounce of intelligence but.....

.....there are none so blind as those who won't see!

As John Angarrack has highlighted in his new book and as I have stressed so many times on this forum in the past, it, frankly, beggars belief that members of the only minority in Europe suffering the effects of, unfair, medieval legislation for the benefit of one man, have stuck their heads so far up their arses and ignored this fundamentally important aspect that IS having such an ADVERSE affect on our identity.

How many more times will I be forced to make the following observation to convince Cornish 'activists' of the nature of their plight?

Section 40, 2 (g) of the Crown Proceedings Act (1947) gives the Duke of Cornwall the right to, 'control or otherwise intervene in proceedings that affect his rights, property and profits'!!!!!!!!!!!

This single legal provision to the favour of one 'private estate' is why the Cornish have not been favoured with recognition under the FCPNM. It is why the ONS is currently resisting demands for Cornish census inputs. It is why the requests for a Cornish assembly have been fiercely resisted. It is why three members of the CSP were made subject to Public Interest Immunity Certificates in 2001. It is why Cornwall 2000 received a bizarre judgement in the High Court last year. I can go on and on!

When are people going to wake up to this fact and do something about the nauseating dead hand that is stiffling our cultural development FFS???????



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bus-driver Posted: 10.06.2008, 22:51



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Well said Hunlef.

Which country do MK want to be a political party in?

Loveday Jenkin was on Radio 2 last year telling David Vine she was Cornish not English; MKs publication is called Cornish Nation; Cornwall has its own parliament and inalienable rights to a separate existence outside the jurisdiction of the UK government; the Welsh speaker at the MK meeting in Bodmin last year advised them to not go for an assembly but for a parliament; the real government of Cornwall is a corrupt Duke with his fingers so deep in English pies his country turned hive and then we have a mad African stating..

"Im in MK, but I am not a spokesman, but I am pretty sure that the reason MK are not taking this on is because its not a party political issue?"

When someone who is legally your government masquerades as a biscuit manufacturer it is entirely a party political issue.

Some de-sandaling needs to take place pretty quick at MKHQ before they disappear up their own beards. You cannot be pro-Cornish and ignore the potential that is available due to recent events of the past few years and the publication of yet another ground breaking master piece from John Angarrack.

Good opportunity does not present itself often in Cornwall.

You'd expect our nationalist party to embrace such opportunity, not play it down as being outside of the political arena they are prepared to fight on our behalf in. Where is the 'enough is enough' spirit of Flamanck and An Gof?
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 11.06.2008, 07:47

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bus-driver...and then we have a mad African stating..

"Im in MK, but I am not a spokesman, but I am pretty sure that the reason MK are not taking this on is because its not a party political issue?"



I don't really see that its a party political issue, maybe it is, Im not sure.

Again, what would you suggest MK does?





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Hunlef Posted: 11.06.2008, 08:17

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bus-driver...and then we have a mad African stating..

"Im in MK, but I am not a spokesman, but I am pretty sure that the reason MK are not taking this on is because its not a party political issue?"



I don't really see that its a party political issue, maybe it is, Im not sure.

Again, what would you suggest MK does?


You have to remember that it is political decisions relating to the protection at all costs of the Duke of Cornwall's rights, profits and property that affect the development of anything to do with Cornish culture or the identity of Cornish people.

If MK does not realise the significance of this situation, then we might as well just roll over.

Of course its a party political matter! FFS wake up, man!!!!!

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FreakoMbiko Posted: 11.06.2008, 08:23

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bus-driver...and then we have a mad African stating..

"Im in MK, but I am not a spokesman, but I am pretty sure that the reason MK are not taking this on is because its not a party political issue?"



I don't really see that its a party political issue, maybe it is, Im not sure.

Again, what would you suggest MK does?


You have to remember that it is political decisions relating to the protection at all costs of the Duke of Cornwall's rights, profits and property that affect the development of anything to do with Cornish culture or the identity of Cornish people.

If MK does not realise the significance of this situation, then we might as well just roll over.

Of course its a party political matter! FFS wake up, man!!!!!



Dont misquote me, I am not an MK spokesman icon_smile

Why don't you join MK and actually do something rather than sitting online complaining about MK and everything else. Its so easy to find problems, they are everywhere. Solutions are harder, and , pretty rare on C24.

So, winge or action?






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MK should revert back to being a pressure group. Then, rather than trying to be all things to all people, it could fight for the rights of Cornish people - this is where the real injustice lies.
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FreakoMbiko Posted: 11.06.2008, 10:08

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sentinelMK should revert back to being a pressure group. Then, rather than trying to be all things to all people, it could fight for the rights of Cornish people - this is where the real injustice lies.


I think its very clear that there is not one injustice but a number.
And there is not one way to try to change, but a number.


Im not seeing the rational here as to why Cornwall's only political party should become a pressure group?






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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 11.06.2008, 11:31

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QuoteSection 40, 2 (g) of the Crown Proceedings Act (1947) gives the Duke of Cornwall the right to, 'control or otherwise intervene in proceedings that affect his rights, property and profits'!!!!!!!!!!!

This single legal provision to the favour of one 'private estate' is why the Cornish have not been favoured with recognition under the FCPNM. It is why the ONS is currently resisting demands for Cornish census inputs. It is why the requests for a Cornish assembly have been fiercely resisted. It is why three members of the CSP were made subject to Public Interest Immunity Certificates in 2001. It is why Cornwall 2000 received a bizarre judgement in the High Court last year. I can go on and on!


Can you prove any of that or is it just conjecture? Can you prove that the Duke has intervened to prevent us getting various goodies or is it that you are 'just sure' he has?

As for MK reverting to a pressure group.

1) That would certaintly serve the Lib dems well (funny that) You're not Andrew George by any chance are you?

2) We have the Celtic League as such a pressure group. Its up to us to make it what we want.

3) It ain't gonna happen. MK as a political party is here to stay.



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FreakoMbiko Posted: 11.06.2008, 12:32

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QuoteSection 40, 2 (g) of the Crown Proceedings Act (1947) gives the Duke of Cornwall the right to, 'control or otherwise intervene in proceedings that affect his rights, property and profits'!!!!!!!!!!!

This single legal provision to the favour of one 'private estate' is why the Cornish have not been favoured with recognition under the FCPNM. It is why the ONS is currently resisting demands for Cornish census inputs. It is why the requests for a Cornish assembly have been fiercely resisted. It is why three members of the CSP were made subject to Public Interest Immunity Certificates in 2001. It is why Cornwall 2000 received a bizarre judgement in the High Court last year. I can go on and on!


Can you prove any of that or is it just conjecture? Can you prove that the Duke has intervened to prevent us getting various goodies or is it that you are 'just sure' he has?

As for MK reverting to a pressure group.

1) That would certaintly serve the Lib dems well (funny that) You're not Andrew George by any chance are you?

2) We have the Celtic League as such a pressure group. Its up to us to make it what we want.

3) It ain't gonna happen. MK as a political party is here to stay.edited by: Fulub-le-Breton, Jun 11, 2008 - 12:32 PM




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But FLB, don't ever ask Sentinel for anything as audacious as "proof", he don't need it.



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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 11.06.2008, 12:44

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With due respect Mat I'm not saying he/she is wrong and personally I feel he/she could be very right, but is there documented evidence of the Duchy intervening to protect its own ass.

If the answer is yes lets see it and then the job of getting everybody on side will be so much simpler.

If no then getting such evidence would seem like an important step.

If the Duke does intervene how does he do it, what is the mechanism? How is the intervention recorded/noted by government bodies.

If the Duchy intervened in the FCPNM case then surely somewhere there is a record of this in some government department, same goes for all the other times he is supposed to have intervened.

Was it just a wink and a nudge, a totally unrecorded telephone call or something else?

It would seem that the real battle is for the freedom of information.

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