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piskey6 Posted: 18.06.2008, 16:51

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Yet another blow to the Lib-Dems in Cornwall, a district councillor defects to MK:

http://www.corn...icle1010.htm
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JenniferA Posted: 18.06.2008, 20:51



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If other Liberal Democrat Councillors are reading this, then they should perhaps consider their positions.

The people of Cornwall did not have a majority vote for a Unitary Council. What they all do want is political representation from those who put Cornish - local - interests first.

Councillor Renshaw entered political life to benefit the people of Cornwall. Sadly, he has discovered that the Liberal Democrat party is a not a suitable vehicle for promotion of the interests of the people of Cornwall.

His decision should give pause to the other Liberal Democrat Councillors in Cornwall. His words about the Liberal Democrats at County Hall pushing for a Unitary Authority, about how his colleagues are more led by directions arising from the other side of the Tamar rather than from this side of the Tamar should make ALL of our political representatives think why they are there. I would like to see a few more Councillors move - for Cornwall.

It is not only for Councillors to consider their positions. Our MPs should also review their positions. Do they see themselves as representing the interests of a British Region for a British Party in a British Parliament? Or are they going to make a statement for Cornwall and represent the interests of Cornwall.

The Liberal Democrats should only ever have been a vehicle for the promotion of the interests of Cornwall. Cornwall should never be only a vehicle for the promotion of the interests of the Liberal Democrats.

So, Julia and Andrew, (let’s start with you two) how about making a statement for Cornwall? ‘ Cross the floor’ (move your seats?) and become MPs for Cornwall.

Jennifer





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Nosdan Posted: 18.06.2008, 21:06

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QuoteJulia
WHAT??? I've never seen anything pro Cornish come out of her, apart from the facebook campaign? Why on Earth would any MP think thats worth raising at Parliament???

Mar vedhow avel gelvinek
(as maazed as a curlew)
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TeamKernow Posted: 18.06.2008, 22:08

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That's brilliantly concise and 100% true,JA.

Definitely worth a searchability maximising re-iteration and re-mulling!


'If other Liberal Democrat Councillors are reading this, then they should perhaps consider their positions.

The people of Cornwall did not have a majority vote for a Unitary Council. What they all do want is political representation from those who put Cornish - local - interests first.

Councillor Renshaw entered political life to benefit the people of Cornwall. Sadly, he has discovered that the Liberal Democrat party is a not a suitable vehicle for promotion of the interests of the people of Cornwall.

His decision should give pause to the other Liberal Democrat Councillors in Cornwall. His words about the Liberal Democrats at County Hall pushing for a Unitary Authority, about how his colleagues are more led by directions arising from the other side of the Tamar rather than from this side of the Tamar should make ALL of our political representatives think why they are there. I would like to see a few more Councillors move - for Cornwall.

It is not only for Councillors to consider their positions. Our MPs should also review their positions. Do they see themselves as representing the interests of a British Region for a British Party in a British Parliament? Or are they going to make a statement for Cornwall and represent the interests of Cornwall.

The Liberal Democrats should only ever have been a vehicle for the promotion of the interests of Cornwall. Cornwall should never be only a vehicle for the promotion of the interests of the Liberal Democrats.

So, Julia and Andrew, (let’s start with you two) how about making a statement for Cornwall? ‘ Cross the floor’ (move your seats?) and become MPs for Cornwall.

Jennifer'
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piskey6 Posted: 18.06.2008, 22:58

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There are a lot of criticisms directed at MK, some of them fair, perhaps many more unfair and unfounded, but they aren't going to sell Cornwall down the river like the Lib Dems have done.

All Andrew George seems to do these days is slag off the Tories, but he's forgetting that the Lib Dems are becoming as reviled and hated as the Tories were back in the 1980s and 1990s. Actually, having a go at David Cameron just seemed a tired, lazy and out of touch example of politics on George's behalf.

Andrew George knows his party made a terrible mistake in ignoring the majority views of the public on the detested Unitary Authority. He's not man enough to admit it.

We need strong Cornishmen and women in our Cornish politics. Not sheep, and certainly not two-faced liars.

Well done to all councillors who've left the Liberal Democrats and stood for either MK or Independents. Put Cornwall first, not your stupid little London political parties.
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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 19.06.2008, 16:27

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QuoteAndrew George knows his party made a terrible mistake in ignoring the majority views of the public on the detested Unitary Authority. He's not man enough to admit it.


Indeed he has put his job ahead of his principles.

He sits on the Lib Dem steam roller that is crushing Cornish democracy and shouts to the anxious crowd "hey I voted against this you know".

Andrew,

Less Cornish words spoken in parliament more Cornish actions in the Duchy.

The Cornish Democrat
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JenniferA Posted: 23.06.2008, 15:21



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Julia and Andrew

Can it seriously be true that neither of you bother to keep your finger on the pulse of Cornwall24?

I cannot believe that. It would be such an ideal – additional – way for you to track views in Cornwall.

However, nor can I believe that neither of you can be bothered to address the concerns expressed in this thread.

I think that one or both of you should reply – or do you really not care?

Jennifer

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T-2 Posted: 23.06.2008, 15:40



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nether of these two are prepaped to put Cornwall ahead of their careers particully julia who is a front bench spokesman climing the greasy pole in london can only be achived by stepping on cornish heads. A.G. feals under presure from the torys and feels a bit of 'gesture politics' would gain him a few brownie points with the voters.
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nether of these two are prepaped to put Cornwall ahead of their careers particully julia who is a front bench spokesman climing the greasy pole in london can only be achived by stepping on cornish heads. A.G. feals under presure from the torys and feels a bit of 'gesture politics' would gain him a few brownie points with the voters.
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JenniferA Posted: 23.06.2008, 17:52



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Then they should be aware that their fate hangs on the slim thread of support from the Cornish folk who put them where they are and that the thread can be cut at any time.

Unlike MPs in England, they have a special responsibility to defend the rights and consciousness of a little people whose nationhood has been sucked away from them over centuries.

However, those people are becoming ever more aware of what has been done to them, like someone waking from a drugged dream, and, as we awaken, we will judge those who have defended us and condemn those who have betrayed us – if only by their sustained silence.

If Julia and Andrew see themselves as “protagonists of a Liberal Democrat cause in England”, then they had better leave for England, because we want people here who will work and fight for us, the Cornish in Cornwall!

Jennifer

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kenwyn Posted: 23.06.2008, 20:50

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In that case then come the next General Election the people of Kernow will vote the Lib Dems out en masse and MK in.

Won't they? Don't hold your breath!!
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IrishJack Posted: 23.06.2008, 21:02

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kenwynIn that case then come the next General Election the people of Kernow will vote the Lib Dems out en masse and MK in.

Won't they? Don't hold your breath!!


The libdems have generated popular support, even if this support is missplaced, what are MK/Cornish movement doing to create a competing level of popular support.

All I see over the last 10 years is a fall back from the popular cornish movement embodied in the cornish convention and the associated petition, who drove this poltiically? Libdems? MK? No, it was the independents, the people who work to make sure they are popular in their constituencies and shoe string budgets, perhaps MK should try and learn from these cornish politicians.
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piskey6 Posted: 23.06.2008, 21:33

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Most MK councillors are regarded as Independents, not as party puppets. They are highly regarded by their voters and work on the ground, with the people, and get out there and engage.

IJ you have no idea what goes on in Cornwall apart from your own which are based on assumptions and naive assertions.
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T-2 Posted: 23.06.2008, 21:40



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The assembly petition was started by MK and by and large the signetures were collected by MK members, it was then, wrongly in the opinion of many, handed over to a cross party group called the Cornish constitutional convention headed by independent Cllr. Biscoe who then proceeded to sell the Whole thing out to the dirty democrats as fast as he could. The L-Ds the tried to use theCCC to try to give cretability to their unitary council aided by Bisceo and the quizling convention, THATS independedts for you, allegence to no one except their own self promotion, the idae that Cornwall's cause can somehow be promoted by a rag bag of independents is not just laughable, it has held back the cause for years. Iknow of a strong supporter of the cause who voted for someone who was an independent, turns out thay were a right wing unionest, you wouldent buy a can of paint without a label yet thats what happens if you vote independent.
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Egloshal Posted: 23.06.2008, 22:27

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Andrew George voting: http://www.publ...01#divisions
Julia Goldsworthy: http://www.publ...ay=everyvote

Radyo an Gernewegva
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