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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 28.09.2008, 13:28

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GrahamHart icon_frown And ?

Of course, others here could contact their own ward councillor as well.


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GrahamHart Posted: 28.09.2008, 14:44

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IrishJack Posted: 29.09.2008, 09:28

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Did you notice that one of the proposed designs appears to have a penguin on it?

Perhaps the powers that be think that the Los Malvinas are part of Kernow? Because, like, the Scilly Isles are.
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Shaz Posted: 01.10.2008, 21:53

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GrahamHart icon_frown And ?

Of course, others here could contact their own ward councillor as well.


Grow up Graham!


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Shaz Posted: 02.10.2008, 13:54

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myghallhttp://www.cornishworldmagazine.co.uk/images/stories/Logo-web-bigger.jpg

Above are the shortlisted designs for the new Cornwall Council logo. An application was made to Cornwall Council under the Freedom of Information Act to see all the proposed designs. It was reported that there were 30 such designs so either there weren't 30 or the Council has not released the other 26. They're not very good are they?

The feeble attempts at explaining what the new logo means only adds to its failure. If councillors and officers don't know what the logo stands for (or invent facts), then do they really know what the new council, or what Cornwall, stands for? This is the crux of the issue - the new logo says, and means, nothing, absolutely nothing.

http://www.corn.../view/84/74/


Am I missing something here icon_confused is/was/can be the one with the chough an option??



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http://www.cornishworldmagazine.co.uk/images/stories/Logo-web-bigger.jpg

The chough would have been a better choice but with this present Council's knowledge of Cornish history I'm surprised they didn't vote for the penguin.

http://www.peti...i?CORNWALL&1
Return the original and rightful logo - SIGN THIS !!
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Shaz Posted: 03.10.2008, 11:08

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What I was thinking myghall if that was one of the choices then maybe the pressure should be put on the council to use that one.

It may not be the best looking logo in the world but the symbolism is good.

I agree with Graham as far as online petitions are concerned.

One thing I learnt from the Save Penwith Moors groups, far better to get individual papers signed, than build up names on a petition sheet, the latter has more impact.



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IrishJack Posted: 03.10.2008, 11:56

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myghallhttp://www.cornishworldmagazine.co.uk/images/stories/Logo-web-bigger.jpg

The chough would have been a better choice but with this present Council's knowledge of Cornish history I'm surprised they didn't vote for the penguin.

http://www.peti...i?CORNWALL&1
Return the original and rightful logo - SIGN THIS !!


But it doesn't look like a chough it looks like a penguin
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Shaz Posted: 03.10.2008, 22:47

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Very funny IJ...

It just needs a touch of red paint on the beak and feet look HERE

I think this one should be used, its already well known.

The fisherman and miner HERE
look quite uh outdated like something you'd get from a tacky sovernier shop may be...I know Cornish fishermen and they look nothing like that, they do often wear blue jumpers though icon_smile

The sheild has a bit of old fashioness about it but it gets away with it.

Those new logos are about on par with the buildings they're throwing up in Newquay. More London symbolism that we don't need...








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Shiner Posted: 04.10.2008, 00:32

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The first one is two Choughs stuck together to make a penguin out of Cornwall. We don't do penguins, only proper Choughs.

The second one was obviously designed in Norfolk, so doesn't get a look in.

The third one is the only viable option as the Chough has its feelers on the Duchy, not the other way around.

The fourth one is a new occult symbol created by David Whalley's family at halloween 2007. Dave thought he'd get good hit points and power-ups at the Xmas Masonic Lodge party if he could 'slip in a black'un' before moving on to ruin something else. Pathetic and silly thing to do Dave. No one likes it either.

The fifth option was to remind many emmets why they left Birmingham. Not funny Dave.





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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 04.10.2008, 10:05

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GrahamHart icon_frown And ?

Of course, others here could contact their own ward councillor as well.


Grow up Graham!


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Yeah but No but yeah but. And icon_frown !

Is that better Shaz?



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Shaz Posted: 06.10.2008, 18:01

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Yes well I did go a bit sideways there Fulub, but I am still confused about the logo.

http://www.cornwallinformation.co.uk/Crest.jpg

This here is the Coat of Arms, A coat of arms is different to a logo is it not, it doesn't matter if it's old fashioned because it is a coat of arms.

Here is the description from the Council website.

" The Cornwall County Council Coat of Arms
This heraldic device (properly a 'full achievement') is the symbol of the elected membership of Cornwall County Council as registered with the College of Arms.


Cornwall County Council's coat of arms, registered with the College of Arms in the 1940's, uses elements which have traditionally appeared on other heraldic devices associated with Cornwall over centuries.

A bearded sea fisherman represents the county's maritime connections, and he stands opposite the tin miner, a reminder of Cornwall's great mineral wealth and pioneering industrial heritage. Above the shield rests the Chough, a relative of the Jackdaw with blue-black plumage and a distinctive curved red bill. The Chough used to proliferate on the cliffs of Cornwall, but is now almost extinct in the county, although conservationists are working to re-establish it through breeding in captivity. The bird rests its claw on a Ducal Coronet. The Duchy of Cornwall, which includes land in Devon, London (for example, the Oval cricket ground) and the Scilly Isles, has long been the inheritance of the Queen's eldest son, as is the title of Duke of Cornwall.

Like the county itself, the shield is enclosed by waves, and at its heart is the history and mystery of the golden roundels or 'bezants'. Many fanciful guesses have been made about their origin, although no-one is really certain how the county came to adopt such a bold graphic symbol. Nowadays 15 bezants appear arranged in an inverted triangle, but earlier Cornish emblems show them used as a border, or arranged to fill a whole shield.

Among the more colourful conjectures is the tale of the King's eldest son, captured by Saracens during the Crusades. Loyal Cornishmen, it is said, helped to raise the ransom of 15 golden coins, or bezants, named after Eastern Europe's Byzantium. The shield is thought to commemorate this King's (or more properly, Prince's) ransom, with the legend 'one and all' noting a splendid joint effort by Cornishmen to save their Duke of Cornwall. Whether referring to this particular event or not, this well-known phrase still indicates Cornwall's community spirit, but is also the very best description of a Cornish welcome.

The coat of arms, properly referred to as a 'full achievement', is registered with the College of Arms as the symbol of the 82 elected Members of this authority. Although use of it in non-commercial contexts may be granted by the Chairman of the County Council, it must never be used to imply the Council's endorsement of any product, business or service"

And here is the present logo (with a little red added)


http://www.cornwallinformation.co.uk/logo-red.jpg

Here is the description from the Council website.

"The symbol and trade mark of the County Council's services, its officers and business units, is the logotype also shown here, the whole or part of which must not be used by any other authority, business or organisation without the express permission of the Chief Executive."

So is the intention for the Duck ass logo to replace both of these?

Was the above logo offered as a choice to be used as it is now and also to replace the Coat of arms?

Where is The coat of arms used at present?




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Shaz Posted: 15.10.2008, 18:52

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http://www.cornwallinformation.co.uk/penwith.jpg

and this is the Penwith..umm logo? icon_confused ... will this also go with the new UA...

A bit much really taking the Cornish peoples emblems and coats of arms and replacing them with a logos... icon_rolleyes



edited by: Shaz, Oct 15, 2008 - 07:00 PM



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marhak Posted: 15.10.2008, 19:47

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I wonder if Dennis Endean Ivall designed the Penwith one? Looks like his style of artwork. I have no idea if Dennis is still with us but, if he is, Whalley could do a lot worse than go cap in hand to him.



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Mike Posted: 15.10.2008, 20:30

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Shaz, it is very likely that the Penwith coat of arms will become defunct as the districts are done away with and it becomes 'One Cornwall'.

Your previous question regarding the new 'duck's ass'. I believe that is to replace the cut down coat of arms that appears on council vans and letter heads, etc and will be on council clothing for example. I don't think 'the full monty' of the coat of arms with miner and fisherman is to be replaced at all and will still be used on the Tamar Bridge, A30 etc at the Duchy's border.

There was a modification of the duck's ass thing that had a more distinct St Piran's Cross but I've not been able to find it for a while.

The only good thing I can see is that the word 'county' disappears. The logo at least should have had Onen hag Oll on it, in my view.
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