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Hunlef Posted: 17.11.2008, 18:27

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The form of the new logo will be moulded by anti-Cornish, Brit/Eng nationalist bigots such as Graham Facks-Martin, M.B.E.

Until these people are recognised as acting contrary to the interests of the Cornish people and contrary to the terms of international treaty government obligations, I am afraid their anti-Cornish hostility will continue.

'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein
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marhak Posted: 17.11.2008, 22:59

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Which is why the likes of him and Nicholas Johnson were given their MBEs.

(MBE - what a joke! Member of a British Empire that followed other empires into extinction years ago).
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CJenkin Posted: 18.11.2008, 13:55



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FYI

Last night the city council in Truro voted on sending a strongly worded letter to the IE opposing the new One Cornwall logo.

The vote was unanimous - 18/24 councillors present voted against the proposed logo. These councillors represented a range of cornish political opinion including MK, Labour, Green, Conservative, Independent and Lib. Dem.

They also can be considered as elected representatives for the 23,000 residents of Truro City.

Who's betting that the IE listen to the will of the people?
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pricey Posted: 18.11.2008, 21:47



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sentinelWhat about Duchy Council? Got a better ring to it!


Except that it is not a Council, it is an "Authority", and a unitary one at that.


I'm sorry to say that it will be a council as the members will be councillors, just as they already are.
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T-2 Posted: 18.11.2008, 22:17



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It's members will NOT all be counsillors it will also consist of 'area networks' made up of 'the great and the good' these bodys are in effect mini quangos who will have power with NO democratic mandate, indeed it looks like the co-optees many out mumber the elected members [ see the one Cornwall document] who will these people be?, members of august bodies such as the RDA CPR/URC english heratage, english partnerships, princes regeneration trust, and a few town and parish councillors to make it look democratic. Democracy is dying in Cornwall, and it is the LDs who are killing it icon_mad icon_mad icon_mad and all the while thay keep people fooled by playing the Cornish card.
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pricey Posted: 18.11.2008, 22:57



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Shazhttp://www.cornwallinformation.co.uk/penwith.jpg

and this is the Penwith..umm logo? icon_confused ... will this also go with the new UA...

A bit much really taking the Cornish peoples emblems and coats of arms and replacing them with a logos... icon_rolleyes edited by: Shaz, Oct 15, 2008 - 07:00 PM


Why must they go? They don't have to go and be forgotten. Powys County Council in Wales (which also happens to be a UA as with all councils in Wales) have put signs up around Powys which show the old Shire County boundaries (Montgomeryshire - Sir Drefaldwyn, Brecknockshire - Sir Frycheiniog and Radnorshire - Sir Faesyfed). People still refer to them as their home counties when asked where they are they are from. I know a few people who tell me that they are from 'Sir Drefaldwyn' without mentioning Powys.
I personally would like to see signs referring to the old hundreds instead of the districts. A welcome to 'East Wivelshire' would most excellent when crossing the border from England on the road.
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TeamKernow Posted: 19.11.2008, 10:44

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http://andymanchesta.com/ICONS/1%20(67).gifThe 'Hundreds' Of Cornwallhttp://andymanchesta.com/ICONS/1%20(67).gif

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'For purposes of administrative convenience Cornwall (Kernow) was originally divided into shires. Hence the names Pydershire, East and West Wivelshire and Powdershire first appeared in print between 1184-1187AD.[1] Although Cornwall and England relied on separate, wholly different, mechanisms of civil administration, shires in Cornwall mirrored the administrative apparatus of shires in England. Where English shires were split into hundreds each having their own constable, Cornish cantrevs had constables at parish level. The Cornish cantrev replicated England's shire system on a smaller scale. Although by the 15th century the shires of Cornwall had reverted to being called hundreds, the administrative differences remained in place long after.

Cornwall (Kernow) comprised of 10 Hundreds in 1841.
Penwith
Kerrier
Pydarshire
Powdershire
Triggshire
Lesnewth
Stratton
West Wivelshire
East Wivelshire
Scilly

The parishes in each Cornish Hundred or Shire were as follows:-
Penwith - Camborne, Crowan, St Buryan, Gulval [alias Lanisly], Gwinear, Gwithian, Illogan, Lelant [Uny Lelant], Ludgvan, Madron, Morvah, Paul, Perranuthnoe, Phillack, Redruth, St Erth, St Hilary, St Ives, St Just-in-Penwith, St Levan, Sancreed, Sennen, Towednack, Zennor.

Kerrier - St Anthony-in-Meneage, Breage, Budock, Constantine, Cury, Germoe, St Gluvias, Grade, Gunwalloe [alias Winnington], Gwennap with St Day, St Keverne, Landewednack, Mabe, Manaccan, St Martin-in-Meneage, Mawgan-in-Meneage, Mawnan, Mullion, Mylor, Perranarworthal, Ruan Minor, Ruan Major, Sithney, St Stithians, Wendron, Helston, Falmouth.

Pydarshire - St Agnes, St Breock, Colan, St Columb Minor & Major, Crantock, Cubert, St Enoder, St Ervan, St Eval, St Issey, Lanhydrock, Lanivet, St Mawgan-in-Pydar, St Merryn, St Newlyn East, Padstow, Perranzabuloe, Little Petherick, St Wenn, Withiel.

Powdershire - Fowey, Gorran, Ladock, Lanlivery, Lostwithiel, Luxulyan, Mevagissey, Roche, St Austell, St Blazey, St Dennis, St Ewe, St Mewan, St Michael Caerhays, St Sampson [Golant], St Stephen-in-Brannel, Tywardreath, St Allen, St Anthony-in-Roseland, St Clement, Cornelly, Creed-with-Grampound, Cuby-with-Tregony, St Erme, Feock, Gerrans, St Just-in-Roseland, Kea, Kenwyn, Lamorran, Merther, St Michael Penkevil, Philleigh, Probus, Ruan Lanihorne, Truro St Mary, Veryan.

Triggshire - Bodmin, Blisland, St Breward, Egloshayle, St Endellion, Helland, St Kew, St Mabyn, St Minver, St Teath, Temple, St Tudy.

Lesnewth - Advent, Altarnun, St Clether, Davidstow, Forrabury, St Gennys, St Juliot, Lanteglos-by-Camelford, Lesneweth, Michaelstow, Minster, Otterham, Poundstock, Tintagel [with Bossiney], Treneglos, Trevalga, Warbstow.

Stratton - Boyton, Bridgerule, Jacobstow, Kilkhampton, Launcells, Marhamchurch, Morwenstow, Poughill, Stratton, North Tamerton, Week St Mary, Whitstone

West Wivelshire - Boconnoc, Braddock [Broadoak], Cardinham, St Cleer, Duloe, St Keyne, Lanreath, Lansallos, Lantaglos by Fowey, Liskeard, St Martin-by-Looe, Morval, St Neot, Pelynt, St Pinnock, Talland, St Veep, Warleggan, St Winnow.

East Wivelshire - Antony St Jacob, Botus Fleming, Callington, Calstock, Egloskerry, Landulph, Landrake [with St Erney], Laneast, Launceston St Mary Magdalane, Lawhitton, Lewannick, Lezant, Linkinhorne, Maker, St Mellion, Menheniot, Northill, Pillaton, Quethiock, Rame, Sheviock, Southill, South Petherwin, St Germans, St John, St Stephens-with-Newport, Stoke Climsland, St Dominick, St Ive, St Stephen-by-Saltash, St Thomas Apostle-by-Launceston, Tremaine, Tresmeer, Trewen.

Scilly - St Agnes, St Marys, St Martins, Bryher, Tresco, Samson.'

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marhak Posted: 19.11.2008, 11:51

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The Cornish "hundred" was, in fact, a keverang (pl. keverangow)and was the equivalent of the Welsh cantref. The word, in its plural form, appears in place names like Meankeverango 1580 (now The Enys, just N of Prussia Cove and marking the southern end of the Penwith-Kerrier border), Kyver Ankou c.1720 and Assa Govranckowe 1580, Kyver Ankou c.1720 (also on the Penwith-Kerrier border near Scorrier). It turns up in the singular at Buscaverran, just south of Crowan churchtown and also on the Penwith-Kerrier border.

Interesting how 4 of the original 6 mainland keverangow were suffixed with "shire". A shire county cannot contain shire counties. Only a country can do so. Therefore, it follows that Cornwall is a country and certainly not a shire county. (Trigg(shire) was later divided into Trigg, Lesnewth and Statton; and Wivelshire - from Old English twyfealdscir, "two-fold shire" was originally one).

Some so-called history books maintain that the Cornish Hundreds were modelled on the Hundreds of Saxon counties and, of course, they were not. They were older. Trigg is actually mentioned by name during the 7th century, as "Pagus Tricurius", "land of three war hosts".
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lanust Posted: 19.11.2008, 12:01

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Thanks for that Craig, very interesting. I thought hundreds and shires could not be right!
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Bardh Posted: 19.11.2008, 22:05

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There could be the germ of a very powerful idea here. We need to make as much of the Shires as we do of the Stannaries. Well, alright, we need to make more of both than we do. But both are important, and both mean a very great deal.
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marhak Posted: 19.11.2008, 22:39

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I'd like to see them restored but something called the Boundaries Commission (of doubtful legality in Cornwall) tends to get in the way.

It is this same Commission (blindly followed by the Ordnance Survey)that places Cornwall's eastern border down the middle of the Tamar in complete contempt of the law from Duchy Charters down to the Tamar Bridge Act 1998 that clearly defines it as the left (east) bank.



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pricey Posted: 20.11.2008, 14:27



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It is this same Commission (blindly followed by the Ordnance Survey)that places Cornwall's eastern border down the middle of the Tamar in complete contempt of the law from Duchy Charters down to the Tamar Bridge Act 1998 that clearly defines it as the left (east) bank. edited by: marhak, Nov 19, 2008 - 10:43 PM

I see what you mean after looking at these:
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/file/0009/10008/CORN_F_SH1_WEB_14595-10999__E__.PDF (Not such a good document and is over two megabytes)

http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/
As far as I was aware, the bridges and the riverbed are entirely part of the Duchy of Cornwall.
Would it be difficult to even have something as superficial as signs on the old boundaries? The names places still exist within the 'The Church of England' in Cornwall as Deaneries and within Education as so called 'clusters'.
It's quite fascinating to see that they still exist somewhat as in Breizh (Brittany) the Catholic Church still maintains their historic kingdoms as dioceses.
Rhisiart Hincks has a wonderful map depicting these places in his book Kentelioù Brezhoneg Diazez · Cwrs Llydaweg Sylfaenol. ISBN 1-856445-71-2
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ThingsThatGoFlirInTheShla Posted: 20.11.2008, 14:38

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ShazA bit much really taking the Cornish peoples emblems and coats of arms and replacing them with a logos..


Don't worry Shaz. they won't get rd of our emblems.
Nothing a bit of black and white spray paint can't fix.
With 99% of Cornwall opposing this I can imagine Tragos' paint counter will be very wealthy.

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Bardh Posted: 21.11.2008, 14:35

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marhakI'd like to see them restored but something called the Boundaries Commission (of doubtful legality in Cornwall) tends to get in the way.


Nothing to stop us using the names in addresses, putting up signs at the boundaries, and finding other ways to celebrate the character and history of each Keverang.
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marhak Posted: 21.11.2008, 16:40

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Recommended forms of the Keverangow names:

Penwith - Penwyth
Kerrier - Keryer
Powder - Pow Ereder
Pydar - Pedera
Trigg - Trigor
Lesnewth - Lysnowyth
Stratton - Stradneth
East Wivelshire - Ryslegh
West Wivelshire - Fawy

We could add "Conteth" to these, i.e. Conteth Keryer. This wouldn't work too well with Powder beacuse of the original Pow prefix, but we might just get away with Conteth Powereder (Pow'reder?)







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