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Nosdan
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Posted: 27.06.2008, 20:19
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Shouldn't it be The Cornish Council? or Cornwall's council?
Mar vedhow avel gelvinek
(as maazed as a curlew)
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T-2
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Posted: 27.06.2008, 20:36
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the problem is not what it's called but what powers it has as a destrict council of the SW region it is in real terms less powerful than the old CCC.
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Cawsando
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Posted: 28.06.2008, 18:54
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Perhaps the most powerful design would a St Pirans flag with the duchy crest in the middle.
If any of you have been watching the Glastonbury highlights this has been flown down the middle of nearly every concert!
KERNOW DOES'NT BOW TO LONDON
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Posted: 28.06.2008, 20:14
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Why the duchy crest?, do slaves where their manicles with pride? The Duchy athough it is important because it helps define Cornwall's nationhood is a symbol of fuedalism where you are not a free man but a subject. NOT A COUNTY OR A DUCHY BUT A NATION ONCE AGAIN
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Cawsando
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Posted: 28.06.2008, 21:25
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Fair point! I thought it would a good way to promote the fact it continues to be a Duchy today.
The combination of the two would show off the friction of the Duchy and the Cornish nation in an accessable way.
We must be realistic, and work from where we are now.
Unfortunately, because of the size of Cornwall (Which is the typical average size of english counties) this lie has been perpetuated.
We need easy ways to get the general public involved in this debate.
KERNOW DOES'NT BOW TO LONDON
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Posted: 28.06.2008, 23:00
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The Logo Debate is still being allowed to run(in filtered form it appears) at Northcliffe Media Western Morning News 'thisiscornwall.co.uk'(ho!ho!):
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TK have learned that this comment by 'CarbonBoot' has been repeatedly blocked by the Northcliffe Media Western Morning News 'thisiscornwall.co.uk'(ho!ho!) information stream management machine:
'Fundamental 'Logo' Flaws:
1.No Classic Cornish 'icon' present.
2.No Bilinguality (Yet?).
3.No reference to interim status in progress towards a PROPER Cornish Assembly.
According to a public statement made by David Whalley to the Cornish Constitutional Convention, the UA should be regarded as merely a stepping stone to securing a proper Cornish Assembly to bring Cornwall's governance alongside that of the two other Celtic Nations of mainland Britain-Scotland and Wales - Cornwall being NEXT to England,just like Scotland and Wales.'
edited by: TeamKernow, Jun 30, 2008 - 01:17 AM
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T-2
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Posted: 29.06.2008, 17:33
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If you belive a statement by Cllr Whalley you'll belive anything, the govt minister involved in the unitary bid has quite clearly stated that it will be a 'bog standard' unitry council. it is only the dirty democrats and their bootlicker Cllr B Bisceo who are trying to sell it to the public as a step to an assembly,firstly in order to say thay have forfilled their manifestoe promise of an assembly, secondly to buy off the nationalist vote.
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TeamKernow
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Posted: 29.06.2008, 22:26
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The above TK post includes a quote by 'CarbonBoot' which includes a reference to an article at C24 which includes quotes by prominent figures in the Cornish devolution debate ,T-2.
You would be mistaken to infer any gullibility, naivety or credulity on TK's part from it.
TK take the view that the Liberally Nondemocratic Liberal Democrats of Cornwall, including its MPs, have been supine,spineless and weak in betraying Cornwall's natural place alongside Wales and Scotland in achieving greater national autonomy after centuries of English Imperialism, Oppression and Exploitation - whether through charm,bribery,theft or violence in all its forms.
Manifesto Obligations demand that the Liberally Undemocratic Liberal Democrats follow through their stated commitment with the pursuit of a vision of Cornish autonomy far beyond that embodied in the very limited and Westminster centred Toytown Unitary Authority.
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Posted: 29.06.2008, 23:50
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The unitary counsil has NOTHING to do with independence/home rule/or any other form of selfdetermination, it it a wholly negitive step as if makes Cornwall a DISTREST of the sw reagion' read the bill which set it up if you don't belive me. The Dirty Democrats and Bootlicker Biscoe have sold us all down the river for their own political gain.
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TeamKernow
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Posted: 29.06.2008, 23:59
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How about quoting and referencing the parts of the Bill to which you refer and which you perceive as confirming your view here at C24, T-2?
That might be helpful and interesting...
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Posted: 30.06.2008, 00:54
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'Logos' of the two other Celtic Nations of mainland Britain:
Cornwall's proposed apology for a 'logo':
Cornwall's new 'logo' best solution:
STEP 1.
STEP 2: Go Back To The Drawing Board, Whalley & Co.
STEP 3: Come up with something more SOLID, MEANINGFUL, DIGNIFIED & REAL.
This one 'ticks a lot of boxes' !:
Could do with the incorporation of the national flag though,just like those of the two other Celtic Nations of the British mainland...
Imagine a repeat of all this palaver if/when the transformation to a Proper Cornish Assembly comes around. Far better to have kept manifesto promises and insisted on the Proper Cornish Assembly in the first place and NOT played the Toytown Unitary Authority game at all.
That's still possible of course - reorganisation 'invitations' from Westminster don't HAVE to be taken up.
Especially when they have NO democratic mandate whatsoever.
NB Northcliffe Media Western Morning News 'thisiscornwall.co.uk'(ho!ho!)
filtered 'Logo' debate still chugging along HERE
edited by: TeamKernow, Jun 30, 2008 - 09:12 AM
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Posted: 30.06.2008, 17:14
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The Cornwall structure change order 2007/8 page 2 part 2 para 3/[2] states, For the purposes of enactments relating to local government, there shall be created a new distrect whose area shall be co-terminious with that of the county; and the name of that distrect shall be Cornwall.
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Nosdan
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Posted: 30.06.2008, 17:42
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I wonder what involvement the Duchy has, most certainly, had?
Mar vedhow avel gelvinek
(as maazed as a curlew)
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Posted: 30.06.2008, 18:43
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None as far as Im aware and without giving too much away I'm quite close to the process, I will tell you however that the politicial balance of the implement executive was determined by westminster ang that DESPITE [sorryFLB] getting more votes than labour over the whole of Cornwall in the last council elections MK have been deliberatly excluded.
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Coady
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Posted: 30.06.2008, 19:12
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Teamkernow.. I struggle to see how the current CCC coat of arms 'ticks a lot of boxes'.... mining is mostly gone, fishing is struggling, the meagre handful of choughs in the Duchy are mainly artificially introduced, and the 15 bezants on a sable shield is the arms of Dukes of Cornwall....
If we went down the route of a modern coat of arms, surely it would have as centrepiece an Eden dome with a £ sign on it, on one side a benefit claimant, and on the other a tourist with a surfboard, and overall a seagull with a pasty in its chops!
OK, a bit tongue in cheek, but the coat of arms is outdated and lacking in contemporary relevance.
Keep the coat of arms for issues relating to 'traditional' Cornwall, but let the UA have whatever logo it wants. It 'sort of' keeps the two things properly separate!
We live in interesting times.
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