|
|
 |
One Cornwall Council logo |
|
Fulub-le-Breton
|
Posted: 30.06.2008, 19:17
|
registered: Sep. 2004
Posts: 4525
Status: offline
last visit: 20.11.08
|
Indeed the symbols of our Duchy are being taken out of our hands one by one.
The Cornish Democrat
The Breton Connection
|
|
|
|
| |
|
sharon
|
Posted: 07.07.2008, 21:30
|
registered: Jan. 2006
Posts: 408
Status: offline
last visit: 17.07.08
|
Bards blast Cornish logo
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
TeamKernow
|
Posted: 07.07.2008, 21:54
|
registered: Nov. 2005
Posts: 2274
Status: offline
last visit: 19.11.08
|
.gif) 'Bards blast Cornish logo
11:56 - 07-July-2008
As tempers flare in Cornwall over the logo for the new super council, the county's(?) Grand Bard has joined the opposition.
Vanessa Beeman wrote a letter to council leader David Whalley expressing her fears that some people felt they were being stripped of their identity and has called for the interim executive to reconsider its decision.
On April 1 next year, Cornwall County(?) Council and the six district councils will make way for one unitary authority.
The authority's new logo has been criticised by people who say it does not fully represent Cornwall, with some likening the design to the hairstyles of singer Amy Winehouse and American boxing promoter Don King.
Mrs Beeman wrote: "It is important that any marque adopted by the new council describes and evokes the essence of Cornwall because it is an international symbol which signifies a place and a culture which has a strong and growing international dimension.
Article Continues
"As Grand Bard, I sense that I am speaking on behalf of both the College of Bards and a wide cross-section of Cornish society in asking that the interim executive reconsider its decision and commission a new modern rendition of the traditional crest, including the fisherman and miner and the Cornish language, and with the addition of an evocation of the symbol of St Piran."
Cornwall County(!) Council says the logo is "inspiring and dynamic, bringing a contemporary modern feel to the best of Cornish tradition."
The Gorsedd of Bards, which upholds Celtic traditions in Cornwall, promotes Cornish language, literature, music and history. While the not-for-profit group recognised the proposed logo was well-designed and, "in a benign way", sympathetic to Cornish culture and its Celtic roots, it felt it was insufficient in portraying the depth or range of Cornish identity and heritage.
Left, traditional Cornwall Coat of Arms and the current council logo
Mrs Beeman continued: "We strongly assert that, as the Cornish language has been recognised by the Council of Europe, and its future development is funded by the British Government, and it is clearly and widely identified with modern Cornwall, that any marque of any public sector body with specific responsibilities for Cornwall should be using Kernewek (the Cornish language) in its insignia and, in appropriate ways, in its communications, promotions and presentations of Cornwall.
"Gorseth Kernow feels that any marque for the new council should embody a very strong sense of the civic and constitutional identity of Cornwall, as well as an evocation of culture and heritage.
 
"It should be able to evoke pride and recognition amongst Cornish folk in Cornwall and amongst lovers, customers, colleagues, ex-pats and descendants around the world."
The Grand Bard said the Gorsedd recognised it was important to deploy modern design values and techniques in developing a corporate image for the new authority.
But she added: "We feel that a reworking of the familiar, well-known, widely recognised and much-loved crest assemblage would be more appropriate and that this might include the addition of a reference to the St Piran's Cross which has become so widely associated with the positive outward-facing cultural values of modern Cornwall."
17 comments. Last at: 07-Jul-2008 17:34
*
Oh dear, what a shame that the consultants have been let lose on the logo. Cornwall is full of great images and traditions which could be used. Personally I would like the traditonal logo to be adapted.
Peter Knight, London
commented on 07-Jul-2008 17:32
*
As an adopted 'Salopian' and a regular visitor to Cornwall I think it is most important that the logan of Cornwall must reflect the County's background. The new emblem would be great if trying establish that 'Cornwall is going up in flames'. The views of the Grand Bard are, in my opinion, very relevant and the new Council should change its stance on this subject.
Peter Ainsworth, Shropshire
commented on 07-Jul-2008 16:54
*
Looks a bit like a fish that caught fire, heading south/to the bottom; doesn't really inspire me much; I don't see that having a fisherman & a miner holding Cornwall's emblem makes us look thick or backward. Going forward is fine, so long as you don't forget who you are or where you come from. Lessons can only be learned when you look at the history; models are usually improved when you work on existing ones... Ditching the past in favour of new, meaningless 'logos' is a denial of oneself. Cornwall is a Duchy that's been more open to the outside world for longer than most parts of Britain/Europe; don't see how a strange new logo can improve that.
P. Lemon, Penryn
commented on 07-Jul-2008 15:51
*
My wife and I agree with Vanessa. If it aint broke why fix it.
The people who thought this up are the same sort of people that want to change the Union flag for the Euro flag.
Colin, Penzance
commented on 07-Jul-2008 14:18
*
As a local for an energy supplier, it's fine. But it carries absolutely nothing of the history, culture or language of Kernow. Once again, this "council" got it wrong.
Robas, Fowey
commented on 07-Jul-2008 14:16
*
Thought the new logo is similar to Al Jazeera television.
richard, bodmin
commented on 07-Jul-2008 14:04
*
I agree with the Bard. I think this new design is inappropriate and unnecessary. If as they say they need an international symbol, what's wrong with the existing one.
Do you think our European cousins, such as Switzerland , France and Germany would swap their beautiful regional heraldic shields for some abstract design that requires an explanation of its design purpose. I think not.
Let's stick with what we've got as it has stood us in good stead and represents the truly Cornish and not some imported bureaucrats from who knows where!
Malcolm Cole, Trebetherick
commented on 07-Jul-2008 13:59
*
I think it tells people coming in to the county we've moved into 2008. Because if you speak to many people in other parts of England they think Cornwall is still in 1808. And if you look around the County you can't blame them,so black and white and out of date.
Ken, Truro
commented on 07-Jul-2008 13:54
*
Creating a brand or symbol for such a creative and passionate folk like the Cornish is always going to be difficult! However as a Cornish designer that has lived overseas and come back to my roots I definately do NOT like this new logo. It may contain some positive, modern lines but it is not well composed, not very balanced or harmonious in my opinion and certainly could say more about this stunning and much loved part of Britain.
Dave Matthews, Penryn
commented on 07-Jul-2008 13:49
*
As the senior bard in Australia, I must protest about the loss of the traditional Cornish crest and the Cornish language from the new Council logo. Surely a design more descriptive and evocative could have been chosen.
Roslyn Paterson, Australia
commented on 07-Jul-2008 13:29
*
Modernising the crest is fine but we must NEVER lose the fifteen besants which are internationally recognised as a symbol of Cornwall. I agree with Vanessa that the Cornish language should also be an integral part of the design as well as the cross of St Piran if possible. The powers that be must think again. I hope all Cornish people will tell them in the strongest possible terms that we will not accept the latest attempt to dilute our heritage.
Roger Watson, Tregony
commented on 07-Jul-2008 13:23
*
I am not a fan of CCC but, from a design point of view, I really like this logo - it's a modern take on an old classic: stylish, vibrant, a good use of colour and dynamic shapes. Shame that the choice is creating so much controversy because, for once, I think they got it right.
redfish, Cornwall
commented on 07-Jul-2008 13:08
*
These comments are somewhat short sighted (in my opinion). I feel that a good compromise has been achieved with the logo. The two men on the old logo make Cornwall look out of date, unmodern and very provincial, a County that is insular, closed off and not interested in what is going on in the outside world - i.e. we don't like change, we don't want to be part of Britain, we don't want to be inclusive or part of the bigger picture! The new logo looks in keeping with our modern times. It has 'One & all, Onen Hag Oll, the correct shield and a Chough' taken from the old logo. A more modern slant yet keeping the Cornish identity - letting 'outsiders' know that this is Cornwall but we are a modern county.
Fiona Shearer, Camborne
commented on 07-Jul-2008 13:01
*
I agree with the Grand Bard - a more modern working of the traditional crest, including the Cornish language would be preferable to the current proposition. I'm Cornish but live in Wales.
sandra bonney, Cardiff
commented on 07-Jul-2008 12:40
*
Cornish people should be proud and upstanding in the fight to stay CORNISH, keep our flag flying
Lorna, Falmouth
commented on 07-Jul-2008 12:33
*
I agree with the grand Bard on the design and the Cornish Language. It is imperative that anything that represents Cornwall should be incorporated in any design. I might add that I am Welsh and living in Cornwall.
John Grindle, Newquay
commented on 07-Jul-2008 12:24
*
Well done Vanessa! Cornwall wouldn't BE Cornwall if it hadn't been for all the 'drecklys' of yesteryear. Thank goodness we have somebody of some standing to represent us. Do you think those overpaid twirps at County Hall will listen. If they do not, we must take action!
Roma, Cornwall
commented on 07-Jul-2008 12:21 '
edited by: TeamKernow, Jul 07, 2008 - 11:37 PM
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
TeamKernow
|
Posted: 07.07.2008, 23:42
|
registered: Nov. 2005
Posts: 2274
Status: offline
last visit: 19.11.08
|
Perhaps the Bards should now blast the Toytown nonUnitary Authority charade itself (as they should have done some time ago) and DEMAND a proper Cornish National Assembly forthwith.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
JonFlower
|
Posted: 08.07.2008, 18:27
|
registered: Dec. 2006
Posts: 71
Status: offline
last visit: 11.11.08
|
Here's one I made earlier!
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Kerrow
|
Posted: 08.07.2008, 21:35
|
registered: Jun. 2006
Posts: 283
Status: offline
last visit: 21.11.08
|
This is another thisiscornwall comment:
‘I work for the County Council and statistics say a minority of Cornish people work there, I am but one in my group of 30! My family goes back generations, and as a CCC worker and Cornish I hate the new logo, it means nothing and represents less. The Council executives who chose the final design did consult 100 staff, which chose (so they say) a sail design or the current choice, but how many of those staff are Cornish?
I want the new council to say Cornish heritage and Cornish future, not this!’
One in a group of thirty. No wonder the whole thing is a lash-up.
edited by: Kerrow, Jul 08, 2008 - 08:39 PM
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
marhak
|
Posted: 09.07.2008, 20:14
|
registered: Jun. 2006
Posts: 3902
Status: online
|
What's to stop the unitary authority calling itself The Cornish Assembly? Nothing as far as I can see.
With regard to how many of Cornwall Council's staff are Cornish, the answer is next to none above typist level. The same applies to most of the local authorities. Just like those departments of the National Trust, "English" Heritage, Natural "England" etc. which operate here.
That discriminatory policies are being applied is without argument but, just like the other illegal discriminations such as age bias, just try proving it.
In 21st century Britain, minorities (especially Celtic ones) have NO enforceable rights whatsoever.
edited by: marhak, Jul 09, 2008 - 07:19 PM
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
kevrenor
|
Posted: 11.07.2008, 01:27
|
registered: Apr. 2007
Posts: 38
Status: offline
last visit: 23.10.08
|
Oi! The debate is going on over here: http://www.face...=22626695964
________________________________________
Kernow bys vyken, Kernow Australyek omma
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kevrenor/cca_corn.htm
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
GrahamHart
|
Posted: 11.07.2008, 03:12
|
registered: Jul. 2005
Posts: 1041
Status: online
|
As usual our Lib-Dums MPs's are as vocal as ever 
And how much to replace all these signs in this rich economy (whatever economy means ) we live in?
If I had money to spend; Signs, Council Newspapers and Bottled Water would be right of the bottom of the list !
Is this the same Simon Parker that alledgedly speaks up for the Cornish ? Bloody disgraceful comments.
Whalley continues to rip the piss....and our elected representatives bar a few say and do nothing. There should be mass opposition to this.
A time and a chance to stand " One and All ".
The crest must stay !
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Where there's a Negative - there's always a Positive. You just have to find it.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Verity
|
Posted: 12.07.2008, 23:09
|
registered: Mar. 2008
Posts: 164
Status: offline
last visit: 23.10.08
|
David Whalley: "This new logo has elements of Cornish history at its very core."
The guy must be on LSD or something as I can't see it! (Might explain his keeness for a unitary authority.) Or perhaps he doesn't know anything about our history. Answers on a postcard...
The crest must stay!
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
TeamKernow
|
Posted: 13.07.2008, 00:16
|
registered: Nov. 2005
Posts: 2274
Status: offline
last visit: 19.11.08
|
Yes, Verity, that logo's certainly a bummer!
It has to go.
Along with its
Westminster
Brown-Nosing
Jolly Ayatollah.
Cornish National Assembly - NOW!
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
GrahamHart
|
Posted: 13.07.2008, 20:59
|
registered: Jul. 2005
Posts: 1041
Status: online
|
Oops! Wrong thread ! Sorry. 
edited by: GrahamHart, Jul 13, 2008 - 09:21 PM
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Where there's a Negative - there's always a Positive. You just have to find it.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
TeamKernow
|
Posted: 13.07.2008, 23:15
|
registered: Nov. 2005
Posts: 2274
Status: offline
last visit: 19.11.08
|
No problem GH - you played a blinder yesterday.
Bring those Anglo-Imperialist rafters down!
In the interests of continuity, here is that last TK post again:
(TK are grateful for the reposting opportunity!)
Yes, Verity, that logo's certainly a bummer!
It has to go.
Along with its
Westminster
Brown-Nosing
Jolly Ayatollah.
Cornish National Assembly - NOW!
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
TeamKernow
|
Posted: 19.07.2008, 00:35
|
registered: Nov. 2005
Posts: 2274
Status: offline
last visit: 19.11.08
|
The Palette Is Already Replete With Respected Possibilities:
However, if, as David Whalley has stated publicly, the misleadingly and duplicitly titled 'Unitary Authority' is but a stepping stone to the proper Cornish National Assembly, shouldn't the PROPER icons be kept untainted for the PROPER, MATURE & DESTINED Cornish National Assembly?
Best to stop all this Toytown non'Unitary' 'Authority' faffing about immediately, renegotiate with Westminster and take Cornwall STRAIGHT to that destination.
Working, effective and tested models already exist in Wales and Scotland.
Get on with the REAL THING!
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Mike
|
Posted: 19.07.2008, 00:44
|
registered: Jul. 2004
Posts: 2674
Status: offline
last visit: 17.11.08
|
Bewdy (beauty) as they say in Australia 
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Cornwall News
Review urged over toll rise plans
Councillors in Cornwall want plans for a 50% increase in toll charges to cross the River Tamar to be reviewed.
Safety DVD helps migrant workers
A safety DVD aimed at helping migrant workers in Cornwall settle into life in the county is released.
Sex case teacher 'compassionate'
A former outdoor pursuits instructor accused of abusing children tells a court he dealt with pupils compassionately.
Crews in tumble dryer fire rescue
One person is rescued from a four-storey building in Cornwall after a fire broke out because of a tumble dryer.
Cat survives sealed box tomb ordeal
A cat is found alive despite being dumped in a plastic box sealed shut with parcel tape in Cornwall.
MK CALL ON SW RDA TO SUPPORT SOUTH CROFTY PLAN
Members of the Camborne and Redruth constituency party of Mebyon Kernow have called on both the South West Regional Development Agency (RDA) and the Urban Regeneration Company (URC) for the area to drop any opposition to the current re-opening of South Crofty Mine. The MK members want statements issued in support of the mine.
REJECTION OF PRISON TRANSFER REQUEST MEAN-SPIRITED
Following a specious and mean-spirited decision an Irish prisoner in England has had his request for a transfer to a prison in Ireland been rejected once again, for the fifth time.
BREIZH: LEAGUE GS MEETS UN CLIMSAT DIRECTOR
The Director of the new United Nations CLIMSAT centre in Brest, Breizh (Brittany) said on the weekend that the future of the Breton environment lay in the autonomy of Brittany.
|
