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Shaz Posted: 06.09.2008, 21:58

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PengellyITAThe Facegroup group Stop The New Cornwall Council Logo now has 2,000 members - I'll be back on the case after the weekend.

Off to Dehwelans tomorrow, if anyone else is going up.


Top stuff Pengelly icon_smile

How did it go? How did Pipes get on?



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moonshine Posted: 06.09.2008, 22:13

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QuoteHow did Pipes get on?


He had a special blue flashing light fitted on his new Bard hat.
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Coady Posted: 07.09.2008, 12:34

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Bard Piper! Well I never!

Never saw that coming years ago, while sharing a roll up at 4am in the drizzle with his dog pissing on my boot!

Nice one Tony.

Incidentally, the 2002 population figures for Cornwall were 506,100.

..so a facebook group menbership of around 2000 AGAINST the new logo means, perhaps, that 504,100 Cornish people are in favour of it?????

icon_evil Graham.

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sentinel Posted: 07.09.2008, 12:43



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No. It means 2000 have signed a petition against it, and nobody has started, or signed, a petition for it.

Therefore the current driving force of public opinion is againt the logo. But would the authorities consult the public on it?

NO WAY.

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Coady Posted: 07.09.2008, 13:31

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Clearly they should have involved Cornwall.
There's a wealth of imagination and creativity here, and there would probably have been hundreds of submissions at no cost.
..Then the choice could have been by public vote.

Some people would still have been grumpy, but at least we could say "Cornwall decided"...but I suppose their success in ignoring public opinion over whether we should have a Unitary Authority, and the success in ignoring how many councillors the people prefer, an element in "County Hall" were carried away with the euphoria of their successes and and just decided to carry on their sweet autocratic way.

I would like to think that, when the authorities DO deign to have an election in Cornwall, that the electorate 'teach them a lesson', but sadly I suspect that all transgressions will be forgotten, and the same people will vote as they usually do, and return the usual suspects to their seats in the chamber.


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Shaz Posted: 08.09.2008, 12:38

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Grand Bard attacks new logo

"THE controversial logo for Cornwall's new unitary council came under renewed criticism at the weekend as hundreds gathered to celebrate the county's rich culture.

The public attack came from Vanessa Beeman, the Grand Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd, who scathingly described the logo as a "St Piran's flag on a funeral pyre" and said it left Cornish people feeling "stripped of identity and culture".

She spoke out to an audience of hundreds of bards and special guests at the annual Gorsedd celebrations at Looe, saying the campaign against the logo was gathering apace even outside the county.

She said: "Many of the Cornish folk from outside Cornwall have supported the campaign to oppose the new logo for Cornwall Council, which has nothing about it to say Cornish identity and culture to the outside world. It has been altered slightly, but as one bard put it, 'it now looks as if St Piran's flag is being burned on a funeral pyre'. Supporters of the logo say there are plenty who like it but what they are not taking into account is the difference in the depth of feeling those against the new logo feel stripped of identity and culture."

The original "tartan and flame" logo was unveiled in June as the symbol of the new "super" Cornwall Council but was immediately criticised for its appearance and cost.

Full story HERE



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Fulub-le-Breton Posted: 08.09.2008, 14:04

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I told you she was an active type.

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Coady Posted: 08.09.2008, 15:27

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Has the Grand Bard suggested an alternative? I've read the article, but.........

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TeamKernow Posted: 08.09.2008, 15:31

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Vanessa Beeman for First Minister of the 'inevitable' (qu. David Whalley) Cornish Assembly/Parliament!



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marhak Posted: 08.09.2008, 18:41

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How come that Tony Piper has only now been made a Bard? He should have been offered this years ago, as anyone who knows of his dedication to Cornwall over years would, I'm sure, agree.

This is one of the things that is wrong with the Gorsedd. I remember, back in the 80s, recommending Tony Blackman for his huge efforts to get Cornish Studies into schools (I still have "Cornish Studies for Schools" on my shelves.) The Gorsedd rejected him but, the same year, Barded someone from continental Europe who'd never been to Cornwall but who had passed a Kesva exam. At the time, many of us were saying that they'll Bard anyone as long as they're not Cornish. That was the same year in which a prominent member of the Gorsedd Council (a Londoner) engineered the overthrow of Grand Bard Hugh Miners.

(I will have to add that the Gorsedd did eventually see sense and made Tony a Bard - but that was years later).







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royred Posted: 09.09.2008, 15:28



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Its another nail in our coffin
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GrahamHart Posted: 09.09.2008, 19:19

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I think the point that's being missed here is that CCC is not pushing for the new logo for a fresh start, but purely to remove the crest and to further dilute our identity and to assimilate us into England! The same motive was behind the recent bus pass debacle. icon_evil

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Bardh Posted: 09.09.2008, 22:37

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marhak That was the same year in which a prominent member of the Gorsedd Council (a Londoner) engineered the overthrow of Grand Bard Hugh Miners.


I've heard so many different accounts of how the Ayatollah Hughmeini (alias Deb Toll Yn Y Ben) failed to persuade the other bards to give him a second term of office, that I've given up counting. Is this one of the current stories, or is it a new one?
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Trevorpen Posted: 10.09.2008, 00:16



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I like the new logo, and the fact the county crest is not being changed is good.
There seems to be confusion between a logo and a crest.
The logo needed to be updated to drag the county into the 21st century!!
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Shiner Posted: 10.09.2008, 01:21

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QuoteThe logo needed to be updated to drag the county into the 21st century!!


I think the developers are coping quite well without the need for a new logo.

By county I take it you mean the administration, as the territory is a Duchy? That indeed needs dragging back into the 19th Century (1858) and the 14th Century, 16/17th March 1337.

Then once they've been cleansed of their historical/constitutional illusions, they could glide the County of Cornwall - which sits legally and constitutionally within the Duchy of Cornwall - into a bright and prosperous future as an independent Crown dependency OUTSIDE of, and not PART of, England.

Treverbic, which part of the inalienable (as in can never be altered) Duchy of Cornwall Charters do you have a problem understanding?

Do you accept that the Foreshore dispute was between the Crown and the Duchy of Cornwall?

Do you accept that the Foreshore dispute ended with the Crown of England conceding that the Duchy of Cornwall was not part of England, otherwise it would have been able to claim submarine mineral rights without question or the need for a trial at bar?

Or are you just dropping your weekly 'deposits' as usual, with no balls for an honest debate centered around the known truth about Cornwall?


If it don't FIT, change IT around.
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