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Hunlef	Posted: 03.07.2008, 21:28
registered: Jul. 2006 Posts: 2092 Status: offline last visit: 02.01.09	QuoteIm not old enough to vote yet, im only 16. Funny that, i can sign up for the army and go and die for my country, yet i cannot vote for who sends me to war. It's equally funny (NOT) that those of us old enough to vote cannot vote for the Monarch, one of whose prerogative rights, as head of state, is to send the military to their deaths without parliament first deliberating the matter. Such is the case with the wars in Iraq et al in the past few years. 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein


Allister	Posted: 04.07.2008, 00:20
registered: Oct. 2006 Posts: 606 Status: online	Parliament voted in favour of military action in Iraq. What has that got to do with the Monarch? I am awake at 4am to the terrifying undeniable truth that there is nothing I can do to stop the monster


Hunlef	Posted: 04.07.2008, 00:53
registered: Jul. 2006 Posts: 2092 Status: offline last visit: 02.01.09	AllisterParliament voted in favour of military action in Iraq. What has that got to do with the Monarch? Please provide the Hansard reference to the debate and vote by members. I think you will find that the order to send British soldiers and airmen to their deaths came from Tony Blair. He did not refer the issue to parliament and, instead relied upon the Monarch to grant his wish through the exercise of the Royal Prerogative. Such a process, of course, avoided the tedium of having to approach the House. Nevertheless, I await any reference you might provide with considerable interest. 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein


Allister	Posted: 04.07.2008, 01:45
registered: Oct. 2006 Posts: 606 Status: online	Division No. 118 18 Mar 2003 : Column 907—continued Quotebelieves that the United Kingdom must uphold the authority of the United Nations as set out in Resolution 1441 and many Resolutions preceding it, and therefore supports the decision of Her Majesty's Government that the United Kingdom should use all means necessary to ensure the disarmament of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction http://www.publ...18-48_div118 Also of possible interest: Iraq — Declaration of War — 18 Mar 2003 at 22:00 http://www.publ...8&number=118 I am awake at 4am to the terrifying undeniable truth that there is nothing I can do to stop the monster


Hunlef	Posted: 04.07.2008, 08:36
registered: Jul. 2006 Posts: 2092 Status: offline last visit: 02.01.09	All very interesting and in the public domain. However, the 'all means necessary' does not override the Royal Prerogative Right to Declare War. That is at the sole exercise of the Monarch through her Prime-Minister. So, on reflection, my intervention in respect to a poster's comment was to an extent slightly off mark. However, the point I was trying to make is that, even though one might be old enough to vote, one's democratic representatives are unable to sanction the declaration of war which is, as I said, the prerogative right of the Monarch who is entirely unelected. Countless British servicemen in the past have died as a result of this peculiarity. I hope this clarifies my position. 'Condemnation without investigation is ignorance' - Albert Einstein


Fulub-le-Breton	Posted: 04.07.2008, 10:46
registered: Sep. 2004 Posts: 4667 Status: offline last visit: 09.01.09	QuoteHe did not refer the issue to parliament and, instead relied upon the Monarch to grant his wish through the exercise of the Royal Prerogative Equally such undemocratic rot has been used to deprive and prevent the return of the Chagossians to their home islands. The Cornish Democrat The Breton Connection


Allister	Posted: 04.07.2008, 12:46
registered: Oct. 2006 Posts: 606 Status: online	HunlefAll very interesting and in the public domain. However, the 'all means necessary' does not override the Royal Prerogative Right to Declare War. That is at the sole exercise of the Monarch through her Prime-Minister. even though one might be old enough to vote, one's democratic representatives are unable to sanction the declaration of war which is, as I said, the prerogative right of the Monarch who is entirely unelected. Countless British servicemen in the past have died as a result of this peculiarity. I hope this clarifies my position. Hunlef, could you just clear something up for me? The Monarch has the royal prerogative to declare war, correct, but it has to be done through the PM and his cabinet, the elected leaders of the country. Sorry for derailing the thread but what, exactly, can the Queen do, or has done, that has gone against the Cabinet in terms of war? I am awake at 4am to the terrifying undeniable truth that there is nothing I can do to stop the monster

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