Where do you get the idea from that the UN was against the invasion of iraq. UN Resolution 1441 gave Iraq a final oppportunity to disarm. The UN secretary general in one statement could be argued to have critisiced the war. however there IS NO CONDEMNATION OF the War in IRaq by the UN
How did Grenada and Cuba choose Communism. Has Cuba had a democratic election since 1959? Did Cuba want communism? Did it have a democratic election and elect Fidel Castro to power?
How exactly is the US electoral process a sham?
How exactly does Australia have a better record of equality to the USA in its treatment of natives?
You do know that the invasion of Grenanda was a joint invasion bewteen USA and other caribbean nations? and that carribeean nations asked USA to help invade Grenada? Also Bernard Coard seized power of Grenada illegaly
What does it mean to be English?
Being English is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer then travelling home grabbing an Indian curry or a Chinese on the way to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American soap shows on a Japane
You're forgetting the initial weapons inspections, in which no weapons were actually found. The war on Iraq was not sanctioned by the UN, and the continued presence inh Iraq is certainly not approved of.
Did they elect Batista? Answer. no.
While Cuba are a very poor country, thanks to the Americans, one thing that you can be sure of is that Castro was actually highly supported considering what he actually did for the country. A friend of mine has actually been to Cuba, and he said that a lot of local people are highly supportive of the administration as it stands. It would be very interesting to see how the system would fair if the Americans actuallly allowed Cuba to access the world properly.
The point of the matter is, is that America has directly interfeered with the sovereignty of other countries not according to the interests of those countries, but according to their own interests.
Now, you're saying that that is what Russia did, so, since Russia and America did exactly the same thing, surely they are equally condemned by you?
Even I don't understand it fully, but it's about the electoral college. Basically the votes of the people isn't the only thing that decides the winner. I'll look it up and get back to you, because I can't explain it well.
One only need compare the brutality used in both situations. surely yes, australia was violent, hell, we poisoned a state full of aborigines through the water, but, it was nothing on the same scale. Looking at the rights we have now, through our wellfair systems, they are incredibly well provided for, and quite rightly too. True, under the liberal government their rights suffered, but here the governments provide all kinds of aid to allow them to get employment, housing, land, and education, something which the Americans are far behind on.
Aye, that is correct, however, my point about the Americans reasons for invading Grenada still stand and you have not adressed them at all.
Let's use another example then shall we? how about vietnam? Can't tell me they didn't have a motive behind that. and don't you come back with 'the south vietnamese asked them to'. Yes, they did want assistance, but, and here's the thing, the americans don't just jump into a war because someone asked them to do it, they have motives, it's the way international relations work.
read his post again, because he didn't quote those, he posted some other meaningless dribble that didn't make sense to me either.
Wow, I'm impressed! Opinion and some answers, if horribly flawed and just plain wrong.
American intervention :
Iran 1953 overthrew elected leader Mosaddeq installing the Shah.
Guatemala : Jacobo Arbenz Guzman was elected president of Guatemala in 1951. American backed coup deposed him in 1954.
Cuba Bay of Pigs 1961,
Chile : The democratically elected Communist Gov. of Salvador Alliende was overthrown by a fascist coup supported directly by the US installing Thatchers friend, the butcher General Augusto Pinochet.
Grenada : The invasion was perpetrated by a combined force of troops from the United States of America, Barbados, Jamaica and members of the Organization of Eastern Caribbean States. The invasion was highly criticised by the United Kingdom, Trinidad and Tobago, Canada and the United Nations General Assembly, which condemned it as "a flagrant violation of international law". (Extracts from Wikipedia) http://en.wikip...n_of_Grenada
This does not legitimise Military intervention. Grenada threatened no one and was not embarking on any kind of repression of its people. This was an opportunistic invasion by the Reagan administration and was roundly condemmned.
I could go on, but I'd be here for days.
So what? We've done this to death, you have simply forgotten the answers in your guppy like way. NATO has not accepted Georgian membership. THAT is why Georgia is not in NATO. I can't remember how many times I have pointed this out.
Russia did not start anything, we have done this to death too. Gerogia started hostilities by launching an artillery and rocket bombardment of the scity of Tskhinval on the night of August the 7th. Russian tanks came through the Roki tunnel later the following day. Get a grip for God's sakes! we've covered this too.
Iraq had no weapons to disarm, this was blatant American/British lapdog propaganda. It has been shown to be a comprehensive lie.
WTF is a vassal state. You numpty. They could not be vassal states as they have never existed as states until they declared UDI. The only thing you can say is that they are supportive of Russia (South Ossetia), or are supported by Russia (in the case of Abkhazia)
Personal abuse : "ILH is a troll" is an example of personal abuse, the comments you referred to were general and not directed at any specific individual, but if the cap fits....
Now I'm getting bored. You are hopelessly incorrect in every part of your analysis. The best that can be said is that you are ill informed and incredibly naive.
This is like shooting rubber fish in a barrel. You hit them with every shot, but they just keep bobbing back up looking more and more tatty every time!
I hadn't even really scratched the surface
There is Vietnam, Venzuela, current efforts to destabilise Bolivia. The war in Yugoslavia, interference in Sudan, Ethiopia, El Salvador...
I just needed to do some work
btw. What kind of Mandolin do you have? I (try to) play mandolin too, I also play the Octave Mandolin and I am struggling hard with a cittern (although I think it is stronger than me!). My Mandolin is a beautiful Paul Shippey, as is the Cittern. In fact the one in the photos on his site is my Cittern! http://www.paulshippey.co.uk/citterns.htm
That was a bit random yes? but oh well, segways are fun!
I have a gibson mandolin, which is the one I got for nothing and had restored, like my banjo, which was also a gibson, if I remember correctly. I have a bellbird [aussie made] banjo too, not as good as the usual stuff, but lovely looking instruments.
The instrument collection is unfortunately overtaking my room at present...
and that one was only a baby! damn things keep coming inside.
Actually, I have to tell you that they're not the best out there, there's a lot nicer sounding instruments out there, you don't always have to go well known, these are just instruments that I rescued and restored in my travels.
errr yes, what were we talking about? I was so going to bed over an hour ago....
Who says the continued presence of Iraq is not approved of by the UN? Has the UN condemned this?
Why is it America's fault that Cuba is poor?
The only reason Castro is so highly supported by Cubans is the Cubans who opposed him have either a)left Cuba or b) in prison.
The Americans do allow access to Cuba. They only ban US citizens from going to Cuba and US buisnesses from doing business with Cuba. THAT IS IT!
Has it ever occured to you that the americans assistance in various reasons around the world may have benefited democratic governance? USA is condemned for boycotting Cuba , a dictatorship, and condemned for helping other dictatorships.
How can you equate an autocratic Russia with a more democtratic usa
Do any Abroginal tribes have any reservations where they lead their own lives and are allowed to have thier own laws
As i have pointed out, America invaded Grenada because the fellow carribean states asked for assistance
Australia and New Zealand were in the Vietname war too.
because America has an embargo on it, and it is unable to trade properly.
Indeed, and if the US, [cuba's closest neighbour] were allowed to actually do business with Cuba, I happen to believe that the country would be a lot better off. but they won't allow it, why? they do business with Vietnam, China, other countries with highly questionable human rights violations, so, why not Cuba? to be absolutely truthful, I'm not totally sure, could be they've got a grudge about the whole losing the bay of pigs thing and being beaten by a tiny island, could be that the news that the cold war is over just hasn't reached the White House yet?
America could not, during the cold war, invade Cuba. They made a promise in fact not to after the missile crisis, and they knew full well the consiquences of doing it and weren't prepared to risk it. So they just had to lump having a communist country close to their shores, and I think that hurt. So they did the next best thing. They placed trade sanctions on it, sanctions which they for some
stupid reason haven't lifted.
Because quite simply, American democracy may not be what the world wants.
And there's absolutely no reason why it should have it thrust upon it like it was so violently done with Iraq.
For some reason, the american people cannot understand why their briniing democracy to the middle East is not welcome. it's simple, the majority of the middle east don't want western democracy or interference. The thing that neither side got during the Cold War, when dealing with the middle East was the simple fact that for them, it wasn't about a case of right vs left, it wasn't about Communists vs Capitalists, They were at a totally different level to the americans and Russians.
Their standpoint is not a standpoint which either the Russians or Americans could relate to, because rather than to do with politics, it's to do with culture and religion.
The Americans have no right to be in Iraq, and their interference has cost the lives of thousands of civilians and totally disrupted the way of life for everyone.
Sure, they may have gotten rid of a dictator, but they are trying to install an american friendly system which the majority of people reject and despise, and ultimately have made it worse for Iraq, and themselves.
We don't use the word reservation here, in all honesty it's not a very nice one and reminds me of colonialism. However Aboriginal tribes do have their own land, the Marbo case is the most prominant that I can think of, they also own several tourist attractions and run them. In some places, Aboriginal tribes can actually use their own laws to punish people, and it's often used for smaller crimes, courts often will allow this practice.
Stupid treaty that we signed saying we'd help the US out when they asked....
Your point is what? You've pointed out that they were, but you and I both know, [well I don't know about you, considering you've failed to get it as yet] that America was the main attacker in that case. Australia and New Zealand got dragged in by them and we suffered for it too. It was a war that never should have happened, and why did it happen? because the americans stuck their nose in where it wasn't wanted. Just like you say Russia are doing.
and as for Grenada, yes, hey did ask for it, but, that is NOT WHY THEY INVADED!!!
Iraq had no weapons to disarm, this was blatant American/British lapdog propaganda. It has been shown to be a comprehensive lie.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/un.html[/url]
It speaks for itself.
WTF is a vassal state. You numpty. They could not be vassal states as they have never existed as states until they declared UDI. The only thing you can say is that they are supportive of Russia (South Ossetia), or are supported by Russia (in the case of Abkhazia)
Personal abuse : "ILH is a troll" is an example of personal abuse, the comments you referred to were general and not directed at any specific individual, but if the cap fits....
Now I'm getting bored. You are hopelessly incorrect in every part of your analysis. The best that can be said is that you are ill informed and incredibly naive.
This is like shooting rubber fish in a barrel. You hit them with every shot, but they just keep bobbing back up looking more and more tatty every time!
edited by: Taran, Oct 02, 2008 - 04:15 PM [/quote]
How is what I said wrong or inaccurate?
The Grenada invasion came about after a government was overthrown by Cuban backed rebels
And NATO is split on whether Georgia should be in NATO. Give me a good reason why Georgia should not be in the organisation
Russian troops are still on Georgian soil!
They are vassal states and supported by Russia. They are also being ethnically cleansed of Georgians too
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