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WWIII inevitable?

ilovehelston Posted: 04.10.2008, 15:59



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Communism is a discretided economic system


Give me an a question to answer
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P_Trembath Posted: 04.10.2008, 16:07

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I'll ask you a question, again, please answer it this time.

"Please tell me how supporting an "illegal decleration of independance", is the same as declaring UDI?"

Third time lucky?



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Allister Posted: 04.10.2008, 16:20

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QuoteAssuming all of Murdochs papers took the same stance, what difference does it make?


Isn't that obvious!




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Allister Posted: 04.10.2008, 16:23

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middle east only democracy


And how has Isreal, as the Middle East's "only democracy" acted?




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ilovehelston Posted: 04.10.2008, 16:41



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P_TrembathI'll ask you a question, again, please answer it this time.

"Please tell me how supporting an "illegal decleration of independance", is the same as declaring UDI?"

Third time lucky?



UDI is declaring independance unilaterly, that is considered under international law to be illagal (in the case of Rhodesia). supporting that is what Russia has been doing
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ilovehelston Posted: 04.10.2008, 16:41



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middle east only democracy


And how has Isreal, as the Middle East's "only democracy" acted?



how has it acted?
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Griffin Posted: 04.10.2008, 16:56



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QuoteThat is more correct. USA never acts alone, also, consider the fact that Iraq is now a freer country   
Yep, and things are just so much better in Iraq now, aren't they?

QuoteMaybe we should have just let the Russians take over eastern europe? or maybe just let the americans have done nothing whilst hitler killed millions?
Actually the Americans didn't do hardly anything for quite some time after Britain and Europe got involved....

QuoteIf it wasnt for USA, this world would be more dangerous   
and if the USA could learn to accept the fact that not all countries in the world want their version of democracy, then there'd be a lot more national sovereignty. I regard National sovereignty as actually very important.

QuoteSo you believe that war is wrong in all wayS?   
No, I do not, I believe that it's not any countries job to play the hero. For example, the majority of people in the middle east do not support the idea of western democracy, and I believe it is their right to reject it in favour of something more akin to their culture.

QuoteIt was a lie and the other nations a fig leaf. The weapons never existed and we all knew it!

Iraq was probaby the weakest nation in the middle east at that time. Thiteen years of sanctions had brought the population to thier knees, the military
disposition of every unit was known, the US and British had bombed Iraq almost every week for thirteen years. The inspector spies were sent in one last
time before the invasion was triggered.

Why?
America gets the oil, We get the gas - we had just embarked on a massive building program of gas fired power stations just as North Sea oil/gas is running
out. The other source is primarily Russia, not good tactival sense considering old animosities.

America gets military bases in the middle east to threaten Syria and Iran and support its Isreali, attack dog, ally. It can then exert direct military
cooersion against all the oil producers in the middle east leaving only Nigeria (in their pocket already), Sudan (destabilisation in progress), Venezuela
(destabilisation attempted), Russia (can't do much about that), Iran (to be decided). They then control the economic life blood to China (working in Sudan
and Iran), India and Europe, whilst ensuring its own supplies.

I hjave already covered the other oil related influences in the region including Kosovo, Albania, Georgia and Afghanistan earlier in this thread (pg 5).
But Guppy mind will have forgotten that.
absolutely Taran! Blood for oil, that's all it is.

QuoteYou know the words, you do not know the ideas. You do not know what the Bolsheviks wanted or why they were exterminated, you do not know why they were
replaced by Stalinism, you do not know why that failed. You do not even know the difference. You woudn't know marxist critique if it came up and hit you
on your ingorant nose.
Indeed, You focus upon the really bad points of socialism, the points that seem to you to make your arguments valid, however you totally ignore a lot of the good things that the bolshiviks actually achieved.

I don't necessarily agree with communism, especially not the way of voolence which Lenin, Trosky and Stalin subscribed to, but I do understand the principles of Marxism and it's just a sad thing that people always get in the way of things like equality.

QuoteIn all cases in the list above, US action is necessary.

Assuming all of Murdochs papers took the same stance, what difference does it make?   
icon_lol because, at least to me, it shows that the media were biased toward the people who went into Iraq, because the media tycoon needs to be friendly with the big boys in government.

QuoteI am not a woman.
good.

QuoteShould USA not have invaded Afghanistan and allowed the Taliban regime to have stayed in power?
Like I've stated, it's a matter of national sovereignty, and we all know they didn't do it to get rid of the talaban. If the US were all for getting rid of nasty dictaters, why haven't they attacked Korea? why haven't they attacked Zimbabwe?

QuoteShould America not have resisted the spread of Communism?
Communism is not the enemy here, it's the people who misuse it, there are people who misuse capitalism too.

There are undemocratic non-communist countries too.

QuoteHow could USA have peacefully coexisted with a movement that was fundamentally undemocratic.
The US did not need to go into vietnam, peaceful coexistance can mean ignoring them entirely and not trading with them if they so choose, but, they did not have to conscript thousands of people to fight that war. They did not have to bom villages with chemicals, destroying the lives of people even now just to fight communism. They did not have to send people into a situation which has caused them to be mentally scarred for the rest of their lives just to stop one country from being communist.


QuoteSyria and IRan are undemocratic, autocratic states which fund Hamas and Hizbollah which wish to destroy isreal, middle east only democracy   
and Israel is such a nice country, especially if you're palistinian, they're really friendly!

QuoteCommunism is a discretided economic system

Give me an a question to answer   
that's not all it is, you can't reduce the philosphy of Marx to that. It's not just economic, it's social and moral.

Quotehow has it acted?   
bombing the hell out of the West Bank might be a safe answer to that one. Oh, and let's not forget the buildings in Lebanon waving white flags, schools, churches....yep, friendly, like I said.

Oh, and sorry for my slightly tipsy postings last night all.

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P_Trembath Posted: 04.10.2008, 18:20

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ilovehelstonUDI is declaring independance unilaterly, that is considered under international law to be illagal (in the case of Rhodesia). supporting that is what Russia has been doing


Firstly, you stated:-
ilovehelstonWhen a civilian city comes under attack, that is bad, when peace keepers are targeted they should intervene. Russia exceeded its mandate and occupued South Ossetia, Abkhazia and have declared UDI


In other words, according to you, Russia has declared UDI in Ossetia and Abkhazia. When asked how Russia had "declared" UDI in Ossetia and Abkhazia, you answered:-
ilovehelstonIt supported an illegal decleration of independance!


In other words, according to you, UDI is the act of supporting "an illegal declaration of independence" in one answer you give, when in fact it is the act of "an area" declaring itself independent of the "country/state" that it previously "belonged" to, and in another, you also claim it to be illegal under international law.

Neither of the answers you give actually answer the question asked as to how Russia made such a declaration for 2 separate territorial entities. The one thing that your 2 different answers show, is that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

For your information, UDI, (Unilateral Declaration of Independence) is not illegal under international Law, It is almost always "illegal" in the "Country" from which the area making such a declaration wishes to gain its independence from, which is a totally different thing, and internationally irrelevant. (Strange how you site Rhodesia, since it was from Britain that it declared it's independence). Internationally, UDI is "frowned" upon, for the simple reason that if it were not, more "areas" would be doing it. However, many countries exist today after a simple declaration of independence, and are able to continue to exist because other countries have "supported" these "illegal" acts.

The USA, made an "illegal" declaration of independence in 1776, in 1778, the French supported this "illegal" act, 5 years later, even the British joined in with this support. However, according to you, it was still illegal, so it is therefore, presumably still illegal. Would you support the UN and NATO in applying sanctions against this criminal territory? Perhaps you would consider military action to be appropriate? Is it not time for this land of criminals to be brought to book, and returned to their rightful owners, the English? (Sorry, I meant the British)

ilovehelston, do you not think it time for you to actually do a little research into the subjects you wish to comment on?

By research, I do not mean reading the Daily Bullshit gutter press, you know, the ones with headlines like:-
"RUSSIA DECLEARES UDI IN FORIGN COUNTRY"
Or
"INTERNATIONAL MAGISTRATES SENTENCE RUSSIA TO 250 HOURS COMUNITY SERVICE FOR ILEGAL DECLERATION".



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ilovehelston Posted: 04.10.2008, 20:19



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Iraq is a democratic country, or at least more democratic then it was before USA invaded!

I did not realise that democracy was a purely american invention. Well, let us look at the Americna version of democracy


"all men are created equal"

Yeah, i can see that middle eastern people do not like that. Why not? Do theyPREFER autocratic rule?


QwHAT DID THE bolsheviks acheive that was good?

Palestine is now an independent nation state split between Hamas and Fatah which are now fighting a war against each other
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JenniferA Posted: 04.10.2008, 20:31



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Mr T - and others

Going away and coming back, I cannot believe that, on my return, people are STILL taking ILH sufficiently seriously to respond to her in the way that Mr T is doing.

I do believe that ILH is a lad or a group of lads who are deriving enormous pleasure from the amount of times they can get posters to this board to rise to the bait of responding to persistently and self-evidently cretinous comments.

This should be a serious place, where people focus on fanning the flames of Cornish consciousness. There are indeed many good folk here who do just that.

Most of you are in that category, whichever side of the linguistic and political debate you are on.

However, I just do not get the attraction of having this sad little mentalist sideshow called ILH displaying on the C24 stage. I appreciate that one cannot debar them, but must one humour them? If you ignore them, they will eventually just go away.

Just remember this. There are many places – both real and virtual - around the world – in which the mentally feeble (like ILH) can congregate and shake hands with one another, but there is only one C24 for Cornish people. Don’t let it get too contaminated. C24 is such a necessary thing!

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Taran Posted: 04.10.2008, 21:25

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It is definitely feeble minded. However this thread is somewhat cathartic in nature, at least for myself.

It is quite refreshing to come and have a pop at some feeble minded cretin who won't lie down. A bit like punching an inflatable 'bobo the clown' punch bag. The idiot will not learn anything, but it is good brain exercise for the rest of us. There is also the off chance that some less dranged idiot might see some sense.

Whilst it might well be that ILH is one of the duller trolls infesting the internet, it is there and is fair game if you feel like troll baiting icon_smile

And it is only one thread. Whilst it is trolling around here it is not focussing its brain cell in anyone else's direction. I have to admit though, I was getting bored again as we head around for our third circuit of history. But you are right, I suppose I should go and do something more constructive.
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Griffin Posted: 05.10.2008, 01:06



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Quote"all men are created equal"

Yeah, i can see that middle eastern people do not like that. Why not? Do theyPREFER autocratic rule?
Because American style democreacy fails to take into account Islamic culture. Now, in a country that is majority islamic, tha'ts a big problem.

QuoteQwHAT DID THE bolsheviks acheive that was good?

1. One of the first countries to proclaim men and women equal was Russia under Lenin.
2. set an 8 hour working day.
3. Public education was introduced.

And that isn't all, but these are some of the important ones.

QuotePalestine is now an independent nation state split between Hamas and Fatah which are now fighting a war against each other   
errrr what? Palistinian areas are under the control of Israel.


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ilovehelston Posted: 05.10.2008, 11:55



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This is a debate forum, where people debate issues raised. Dont like it? Dont post!

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ilovehelston Posted: 05.10.2008, 11:58



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What is Islamic culture? Headscarfes, women not having political power?


Public education was introduced in Scotland by John Knox, Jesus declared us all equal, not Lenin. Is Christianity a good way of living life?

Palestinian areas are not under the control of Isreal. Gaza is free and independent and ruled by Hamas. West bank palestine is independent and ruled by Fatah
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Griffin Posted: 05.10.2008, 13:06



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QuotePublic education was introduced in Scotland by John Knox, Jesus declared us all equal, not Lenin. Is Christianity a good way of living life?

Jesus may have declared women equal, but he had no power behind it. Lenin didd.

Christianity has some wonderful values and teachings, it's just a pity to me that all those teachings seem to involve worshiping some sort of god figure and believing all this strange stuff about heaven and hell to go with it.

QuotePalestinian areas are not under the control of Isreal. Gaza is free and independent and ruled by Hamas. West bank palestine is independent and ruled by Fatah


The israeli government is responsible for some of the most horrific crimes against the palistinian people, just like it is responsible for military atrocities all over the middle east. that was my point really.

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