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WWIII inevitable?

cornishrebel2 Posted: 16.08.2008, 19:57

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KéighlánI to, hope to god their isn't another war, but...who knows. And are the English warmongerers CornishRebel2? i don't remember ever starting a war myself.


Well maybe not your self but it does seem like there has hardly been a time when the english havent been at war with somebody I think it is in the blood

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HortonBar Posted: 16.08.2008, 20:05



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I do not think that WW III is in the offing.

Russia is a country, which has never known democracy. It is a country, which has always been run by autocrats. First, it was the Tsars, who were revered by the common peasants as godlike.

Next came the series of Communist leaders. Contrary to the bad press these people have always got in this country, it is a fact that even the dreadful (in the eyes of the West) Stalin (who incidentally was Georgian!) is even now highly regarded by the Russian people – a serious contender for ‘greatest man in our history’.

Russia is a country, which still suffers the amputee’s shock of a lost empire. There was NATO and there was the Warsaw Pact – a comforting huddle of countries surrounding Russia, which were its first line of protection, like we were for the USA. They have all gone – leaving Russia alone, abandoned and shocked. Even the country (Poland), whose capital gave the name to their strategic block (Warsaw Pact) is now proposing to house American missiles (Why? Pointing at whom exactly?) So Russia feels hurt, assaulted and tender.

Its national pride has been violated by these deep incisions of recent history.

But this is not the Cold war all over again. The world has changed. The USA is a diminished economic force, a little (though, not so severe) like Britain after the Second World War. Brazil, China and India (and Russia) are all rearing up to take over the lead position. It will be China in first place, with India a close second (some say first!), at least, economically. ‘Political’ and ‘Military’ follows on from Economic, of course.

That said, because they are single nation states, it is sure, the only unknowns are where Europe and the USA will fit in. The USA is tricky, because it will be going through the trauma of not being a leader any more ( a’British’ or ‘Russsian’ experience in store for it).

Europe is tricky because, although it is potentially the MOST powerful region, it is plagued by the uncertainties conferred on it by its complicated history. The fate of Cornwall (our beloved Kernow) is tied up with that of Europe. Forget the morbid Empire cries of ILH and her crew, Britain is a spent force. It grew muscular on Empire but lost its empire and its ‘muscles’ with it. Europe is a potential power house and can preserve and celebrate the heritages of its many constituent parts and Kernow is one of those.

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ilovehelston Posted: 16.08.2008, 20:47



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Georgia wants to join NATO

Yeah, for fairly obvious reasons as NATO members are committed to helping each other in case of an attack in their territory


which Russia does not like the idea of which I cant blame them for if they went in to NATO the yanks could set up there spy bases there air bases etc so if Russia did attempt anything on Georgia the yanks will have good excuse to go in and try and blow the seven bells of shit out Russia something they wanted to do for years.

And the European powers are in NATO

and also the yanks are blaming Russia for starting this war which it was Georgia that did.


Georgia was trying to get its territory back
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ilovehelston Posted: 16.08.2008, 20:48



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Well maybe not your self but it does seem like there has hardly been a time when the english havent been at war with somebody I think it is in the blood

That is a racist sentiment
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ilovehelston Posted: 16.08.2008, 20:48



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When was the last English war? Must have been hundreds of years ago
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ilovehelston Posted: 16.08.2008, 20:50



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Europe is tricky because, although it is potentially the MOST powerful region,

Of?

it is plagued by the uncertainties conferred on it by its complicated history. The fate of Cornwall (our beloved Kernow) is tied up with that of Europe.

How so? How have our affairs been connected with that of Europe?

Forget the morbid Empire cries of ILH and her crew, Britain is a spent force.

We are not in recession (unlike the EU zone countries)

It grew muscular on Empire but lost its empire and its ‘muscles’ with it. Europe is a potential power house

But isn't.

and can preserve and celebrate the heritages of its many constituent parts and Kernow is one of those.


How so?
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truru Posted: 17.08.2008, 00:56

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ilovehelstonand also the yanks are blaming Russia for starting this war which it was Georgia that did.


You are right for once
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Griffin Posted: 17.08.2008, 01:07



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QuoteHow did the Americans start a war that is between Russia And Georgia, two soverign independant states that have nothing to do with USA   
because the Americans purposely target ex-soviet states/countries to place their missile bases so that they have the best possibility of taking out russia if it comes to that and also to scare Russia into submission. Don't you see how the Americans are trying to fense Russia in between NATO friendly nations?

QuoteIt does appear to be the case,cornishrebel2,that gravydave re-evaluated his position several days ago and displayed signs of evolving towards a more civilised
rapprochement with C24 members.Whether this is sustained we shall have to wait and see. Suffice to say C24 appears to be significantly less tumescent with
his spurtings, gushings and generally ill-considered diurnal emissions.
very well put, TK, now if we could only do something about ILH... icon_lol

QuoteI don't think there will ever be a Third World War. There is too much interdependency between the countries these days, not like the Cold War.

The world needs Russia's energy, America's economy, and China's market.
I think you're correct, and this is what my money is on, but I, and I think I said before, don't think that a second cold war is out of the question. This would be bad for the world as a whole too.
QuoteI to, hope to god their isn't another war, but...who knows. And are the English warmongerers CornishRebel2? i don't remember ever starting a war myself.
I think it all comes down to ones atitude to war itself. European nations have experienced so far 2 extremely bloody world wars, and I don't think that anyone alive in most parts of europe today hasn't had a family member who faught or died in one of them. America however came in very late in world war i and also world war ii. I think that they have a totally different atitude to war and fighting for their country than the europeans do, than even the Australians do. We do not glorify our soldiers, we remember them, and that is reflected in all our rememberance cerimonies. Maybe it has nothing to do with it, but it's a point I think worth noting.

QuoteWell maybe not your self but it does seem like there has hardly been a time when the english havent been at war with somebody I think it is in the blood
It's important to note that England is I think an exception to my above point. Though I do wonder had someone not as hardline as Thatcher been in power during the 80's if the fawklins would have been avoided.

QuoteRussia is a country, which has never known democracy. It is a country, which has always been run by autocrats. First, it was the Tsars, who were revered
by the common peasants as godlike.

Next came the series of Communist leaders. Contrary to the bad press these people have always got in this country, it is a fact that even the dreadful
(in the eyes of the West) Stalin (who incidentally was Georgian!) is even now highly regarded by the Russian people – a serious contender for ‘greatest
man in our history’.

Russia is a country, which still suffers the amputee’s shock of a lost empire. There was NATO and there was the Warsaw Pact – a comforting huddle of countries
surrounding Russia, which were its first line of protection, like we were for the USA. They have all gone – leaving Russia alone, abandoned and shocked.
Even the country (Poland), whose capital gave the name to their strategic block (Warsaw Pact) is now proposing to house American missiles (Why? Pointing
at whom exactly?) So Russia feels hurt, assaulted and tender.
Exactly, and let us not forget that Russia has always been, throughout history, a very vulnerable country, open to invasion, so it's only defense against such invasion was to surround itself with friendly states. it did that during monarchical times, it did that during soviet times, and it's trying to do that now, quite simply because it doesn't have any other option. Perhaps had Russia been welcomed as a new democratic state by the Americans back in 1990 things might be very different.


QuoteYeah, for fairly obvious reasons as NATO members are committed to helping each other in case of an attack in their territory
do remember though that the US, who are distinctly anti-Russian, have a lot of pull over NATO countries, Russia has every right to feel threatened.

QuoteGeorgia was trying to get its territory back   
If you want to try and get territory back, which is actually heavily dominated with Russians and/or people holding Russian citizenship, going in with guns a'blazin' is not the way to go about it, because Russia will react, and they did react, and really, had no choice but to react. Georgia was once a part of the Russian empire, and also the soviet union, so one could argue it was always Russian if you want to go down that parth.

QuoteWhen was the last English war? Must have been hundreds of years ago   
the fawklins... Britain are also the second highest contributers of troops in the Iraq war.
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Griffin Posted: 17.08.2008, 01:08



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Quoteilovehelstonand also the yanks are blaming Russia for starting this war which it was Georgia that did.
she didn't say that, she was just misquoting again.


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Kéighlán Posted: 17.08.2008, 01:16

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Well, i personally do not care that Britain had an empire, and is now nothing. I would be fairly happy if we never had an Empire, and never really did anything to great, i wouldn't mind if England was just a small unimportant country like Estonia, i am just happy being English and British. I suppose Cornish Rebel is partly right in suggesting that the English are warmongerers, but to be honest, what nation can claim it has not been a warmongerer at one point? the Mongols, the Chinese, the Koreans, the Americans, the Germans, even the Austrians have been warmongerers. The Greeks at one point based their entire culture and society around war. It's just human nature to kill, kill or be killed, survival of the fittest etc. If your not a bully, then your the one who is bullied.
As for the Falklands, what choice did we have? there were British citizens there, we couldn't just let them be invaded, Argentina could have took a better appraoch rathen than landing troops there which seems very aggressive. For Iraq, well, if given the choice, do you thin every one of those British troops would want to fight and die in a war miles from home that doesn' concern them, when they could be back home with their families and friends? i may be sent their one day, and i can tell you, i don't want to go there.



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cornishrebel2 Posted: 17.08.2008, 01:40

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ilovehelstonand also the yanks are blaming Russia for starting this war which it was Georgia that did.


You are right for once


Hang on yer it was me cwho posted this not ilh dont give it any credit for something has not done icon_frown

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Kéighlán Posted: 17.08.2008, 01:45

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What does it mean to be English?
''Being English is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer then travelling home grabbing an Indian curry or a Chinese on the way to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American soap shows on a Japane''
Could i not say that about Cornish people, and for that, nearly every other human on the planet.
So, what if i drive an Aston Martin, go to my local pub, called Englands Glory and drink Apple Juice made in England, then go to a fish and chip shop, then go home and sit on some English furniture, and watch the Bill on a tv made in England?

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cornishrebel2 Posted: 17.08.2008, 02:28

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actually this what whole thing is meant to mean on my signature but there ain't enough room to fit hole thing unless admin can change it so I could which I doubt anyway it does sum every thing about the english

What does it mean to be English?
Being English is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer then travelling home grabbing an Indian curry or a Chinese on the way to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American soap shows on a Japanese TV and the most English thing of all?
Suspicion of anything foreign

What does it mean to be English?
Being English is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer then travelling home grabbing an Indian curry or a Chinese on the way to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American soap shows on a Japane
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Allister Posted: 17.08.2008, 02:36

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Quotebecause the Americans purposely target ex-soviet states/countries to place their missile bases so that they have the best possibility of taking out russia if it comes to that and also to scare Russia into submission. Don't you see how the Americans are trying to fense Russia in between NATO friendly nations?


I think its less of an actual desire to fence in Russia and more to do with protecting Europe and North America (NATO). As a consequence Russia becomes "fenced in" on their western boarders and feels threatened and as a fallen superpower are trying to re-establish themselves on the world stage.

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European nations have experienced so far 2 extremely bloody world wars,


True, but World War 1 was almost 100 years ago. And as hard as it is to take the "those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it" is wrong because even those aware of history still repeat it.






I am awake at 4am to the terrifying undeniable truth that there is nothing I can do to stop the monster
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Kéighlán Posted: 17.08.2008, 03:23

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And it sums up pretty much everything about being Cornish as well don't it.

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