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ilovehelston Posted: 05.10.2008, 13:30



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QuotePalestinian areas are not under the control of Isreal. Gaza is free and independent and ruled by Hamas. West bank palestine is independent and ruled by Fatah


The israeli government is responsible for some of the most horrific crimes against the palistinian people, just like it is responsible for military atrocities all over the middle east. that was my point really.[/quote]

Palestine is free and independent and now in civil war.

The current military atrocities in the Middle East is a struggle in Lebanonm
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Allister Posted: 05.10.2008, 13:55

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QuotePalestine is free and independent and now in civil war.


Are you living in the near future or something?

proposed establishment of an independent state for the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip, which is currently controlled by Hamas, and parts of the West Bank, which is now administered by the Palestinian National Authority. The precise borders of this state are under debate. According to a survey, 100 countries would be prepared to recognize a Palestinian state if and when it should arise.




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ilovehelston Posted: 05.10.2008, 15:17



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QuotePalestine is free and independent and now in civil war.


Are you living in the near future or something?

proposed establishment of an independent state for the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip, which is currently controlled by Hamas, and parts of the West Bank, which is now administered by the Palestinian National Authority. The precise borders of this state are under debate. According to a survey, 100 countries would be prepared to recognize a Palestinian state if and when it should arise.


Palestine is now free and is governed by two seperate organisations
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Griffin Posted: 05.10.2008, 15:26



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Urm, show us written proof of that ILH.

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Allister Posted: 05.10.2008, 15:53

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QuotePalestine is now free


So why are the US and EU still calling for a "two state solution" to the troubles in Israel?

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Urm, show us written proof of that ILH.


Seconded.







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ilovehelston Posted: 05.10.2008, 16:04



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GriffinUrm, show us written proof of that ILH.


The Isrealis have left the Gaza
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ilovehelston Posted: 05.10.2008, 16:07



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QuotePalestine is now free


So why are the US and EU still calling for a "two state solution" to the troubles in Israel?

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Urm, show us written proof of that ILH.


Seconded.





Becuase there is two states: Isreal and the Palestinian territories
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Allister Posted: 05.10.2008, 16:33

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QuoteThe Isrealis have left the Gaza


ILH, that is not written proof of a free Palastine, is it?


QuoteBecuase there is two states: Isreal and the Palestinian territories


Yes, Israel and the Occupied Territories. Has the two state solution happened already?





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Taran Posted: 05.10.2008, 16:44

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Gaza is occupied Egypt, The west bank of the Jordan river is occupied Jordan and the Golan heights is occupied Syria. The state of Palestine was the land area currently called Israel.

They are not Israel's to give. Israel conreols access to all areas and has settlers in nost of them. Palestinians are not free as they re under th Jack boot of the israeli zionist oppressor. Israel operates an unofficial apartheid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid

For the illiterate trolls amongst us apologies, you will need to find a friend that can read.
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ilovehelston Posted: 05.10.2008, 18:02



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QuoteThe Isrealis have left the Gaza


ILH, that is not written proof of a free Palastine, is it?


QuoteBecuase there is two states: Isreal and the Palestinian territories


Yes, Israel and the Occupied Territories. Has the two state solution happened already?



Isreal has left the Gaza Strip and Palestinaons are now in control of West Bank and Gaza
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ilovehelston Posted: 05.10.2008, 18:04



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TaranGaza is occupied Egypt, The west bank of

They are not Israel's to give. Israel conreols access to all areas and has settlers in nost of them. Palestinians are not free as they re under th Jack boot of the israeli zionist oppressor. Israel operates an unofficial apartheid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid

For the illiterate trolls amongst us apologies, you will need to find a friend that can read.

Incorrect, Gaza is not occupied Egyot. It belonged to the Ottoman Empire, was then liberated by The British and Australians, and became part of a league of nations man date.

A state of palestine only existed during that League of nations period

Palestinains are free, there is no apartheid in Isreal. Arabs have equal rights in the country. In Gaza strip, political ethnic cleansing has taken place, ditto in Fatah ruled palestine
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Taran Posted: 05.10.2008, 21:34

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Oooh you got one! It was only under Eygyptian stewardship, until Israel occupied it in 1956, gave it back and then occupied it again in 1967 during the Six Day War.

Palestinians are not free and you can't read obviously. Your definition of 'free' is a little peculiar. Get your literate friend to read to you the link I presented earlier.

If you don't like that one, which is quite balanced, a little bit of research will show you how wrong you are again.
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Griffin Posted: 05.10.2008, 23:27



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QuoteOn the New Book “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid”
Carter's apartheid charge rings true
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Saree Makdisi
Wednesday, December 20, 2006

San Francisco Chronicle

Former President Jimmy Carter has come under sustained attack for having dared to use the term "apartheid" to describe Israel's policies in the West Bank.
However, not one of Carter's critics has offered a convincing argument to justify the vehemence of the outcry, much less to refute his central claim that
Israel bestows rights on Jewish residents settling illegally on Palestinian land, while denying the same rights to the indigenous Palestinians. Little
wonder, for they are attempting to defy reality itself.

Israel maintains two separate road networks in the West Bank: one for the exclusive use of Jewish settlers, and one for Palestinian natives. Is that not
apartheid?

Palestinians are not allowed to drive their own cars in much of the West Bank; their public transportation is frequently interrupted or blocked altogether
by a grid of Israeli army checkpoints -- but Jewish settlers come and go freely in their own cars, without even pausing at the roadblocks that hold up
the natives. Is that not apartheid?

A system of closures and curfews has strangled the Palestinian economy in the West Bank -- but none of its provisions apply to the Jewish settlements there.
Is that not apartheid?

Whole sectors of the West Bank, classified as "closed military areas" by the Israeli army, are off limits to Palestinians, including Palestinians who own
land there -- but foreigners to whom Israel's Law of Return applies (that is, anyone Jewish, from anywhere in the world) can access them without hindrance.
Is that not apartheid?

Persons of Palestinian origin are routinely barred from entering or residing in the West Bank -- but Israeli and non-Israeli Jews can come and go, and even
live on, occupied Palestinian territory. Is that not apartheid?

Israel maintains two sets of rules and regulations in the West Bank: one for Jews, one for non-Jews. The only thing wrong with using the word "apartheid"
to describe such a repugnant system is that the South African version of institutionalized discrimination was never as elaborate as its Israeli counterpart
-- nor did it have such a vocal chorus of defenders among otherwise liberal Americans.

The glaring error in Carter's book, however, is his insistence that the term "apartheid" does not apply to Israel itself, where, he says, Jewish and non-Jewish
citizens are given the same treatment under the law. That is simply not true.

Israeli law affords differences in privileges for Jewish and non-Jewish citizens of the state -- in matters of access to land, family unification and acquisition
of citizenship. Israel's amended nationality law, for example, prevents Palestinian citizens of Israel who are married to Palestinians from the occupied
territories from living together in Israel. A similar law, passed at the peak of apartheid in South Africa, was overturned by that country's supreme court
as a violation of the right to a family. Israel's high court upheld its law just this year.

Israel loudly proclaims itself to be the state of the Jewish people, rather than the state of its actual citizens (one-fifth of whom are Palestinian Arabs).
In fact, in registering citizens, the Israeli Ministry of the Interior assigns them a whole range of nationalities other than "Israeli." In the official
registry, the nationality line for a Jewish citizen of Israel reads "Jew." For a Palestinian citizen, the same line reads "Arab." When this glaring inequity
was protested all the way to Israel's high court, the justices upheld it: "There is no Israeli nation separate from the Jewish people." Obviously this
leaves non-Jewish citizens of Israel in, at best, a somewhat ambiguous situation. Little wonder, then, that a solid majority of Israeli Jews regard their
Arab fellow-citizens as what they call "a demographic threat," which many -- including the deputy prime minister -- would like to see eliminated altogether.
What is all this, if not racism?

Many of the very individuals and institutions that are so vociferously denouncing President Jimmy Carter would not for one moment tolerate such glaring
injustice in the United States. Why do they condone the naked racism that Israel practices? Why do they heap criticism on our former president for speaking
his conscience about such a truly unconscionable system of ethnic segregation?

Perhaps it is because they themselves are all too aware that they are defending the indefensible; because they are all too aware that the emperor they keep
trying to cover up really has no clothes. There is a limit to how long such a cover up can go on. And the main lesson of Carter's book is that we have
finally reached that limit.

Saree Makdisi is a professor of English and Comparative Literature at UCLA and a frequent commentator on Middle East issues.

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ilovehelston Posted: 06.10.2008, 10:14



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Palestine live in a society that is self governing to a varying degree. They have their own governments and their own flag. In Gaza strip, an extremist islamic movement which is anti Isrealite has seized control of the territory and killed Fatah supporters

In West Bank a corrupt, socalist regime then seized control of the territory and repressed Hamas supporters.

Hamas wishes Isreal does not exist.

Isreal is a secular, democratic state which is surronded by hostile, autocratic anti democratic states, significant forces in the neighbouring states openly call for Isreal's destruction
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ilovehelston Posted: 06.10.2008, 10:15



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Isreal is not an apartheid state
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