That little point didn't bother you when you chucked out UC and supplanted it with KK in the late 1980's, did it? What a crap point.
I also suspect you are probably an old hand here on C24. There is a place for anonymity in these fora, but multiple accounts just gives the impression that there are more than one of you supporting or rejecting an idea. I think "pennysquire" is nothing more than yet another sockpuppet for one of the vocal KK supporters here. I just don't know which one, but I have my suspicions.
And its obviously not goky!
As you have been exposed here and on the Spellyans list, why not have the bottle to come clean as to who you really are or at least which of the pseudonyms you use here are behind the bogus Penny? Until such time nothing you say can have any credence or value. Bury this sockpuppet and use one of your known ones you coward.
I have already stated my reasons for joining Spellyans, and I will add here that I joined in my real name. It's hardly my fault that you all got a sudden attack of paranoia and starting hurling troll accusations around. I left because I was not convinced that the SWF was fixable anyway - and nothing I had seen on the list had convinced me otherwise.
I also has no wish to be a member of any group which had you as a member (although I am prepared to expose your follies in a public forum). I wrote a letter explaining this politely to Michael.
In addition to all this I am very far from being convinced of the intentions and agendas of many Spellyans members.
I know very well that Dr Nicholas Williams is not the Chair, an Officer or Committee member of Agan Tavas. However it is pretty obvious that he has been your chief originator of anti-Kernewek Kemmyn propaganda and campaign policy - whether or not he has a title or job description is not material.
What is material is that the single most influential member of Agan Tavas holds the views described in his own words at the beginning of this thread.
The whole thing is simply too convenient to be a coincidence. What better way to creat endless problems for the language revival? If Dr Williams had not existed the British government would have had to invent him.
that is a lie, no-one was forced to use KK, exams were/are still held in UC, and books still sold, and apparently AT has a huge catalogue in UC, and the Gorsedd continues to use it.
The openly stated aim of the Kernowak list was to design a form of RC that would (a) look like historically attested Cornish, and (b) have a very close relationship between the written and spoken forms. The openly stated aim of the Spellyans list is to discuss ways of correcting errors in the SWF-Trad form.
Despite its false claims to the contrary, KK failed on each of those 2 KS criteria. You appear to be accepting that KK is full of errors, which is what some of us have been saying for a long time now.
And, for the record, you did not leave the Spellyans list because you were "not convinced that the SWF was fixable" (as you untruthfully claim). You were actually kicked out of the Spellyans list for being unmasked as a lying little troll. It's interesting that your own vanity can't admit the truth, but not really surprising, given how 'economical with the truth' you've shown yourself to be.
edited by: Eddie-C, Aug 27, 2008 - 07:00 PM
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KS: selven an Furf Screfys Savonek? -- Ya, hep wow!
"Pieter" accuses me of fantasy, fiction and God knows what else. And what do we see here from Keith?
Right. Let's have the facts. Nicholas Williams read classics, English language and Celtic in Oxford and was awarded a PhD in Celtic at Queen's University, Belfast in 1972 (when most of you were little more than an itch in your father's scrotum).
So ,there you are. His doctorate was in Celtic linguistics and so was his professorship.
Can we now have an end to the lies and the character assassination?
More lies, Keith? What makes you think that your (unemployable) degree in Ape Studies makes you an authority on Cornish?
Nicholas Williams has a long bibliography of highly regarded publications on the Irish Language, as well as numerous books and papers on and in Cornish (including a New Testament, Dictionary, Grammar, poetry and other writings).
What pisses you off is that he has chosen to write detailed, technical linguistic refutations of your chosen Kebmyn orthography. And, despite all your lying claims to the contrary, neither you nor any of the other lumpen 'intelligentsia' (self-styled!) of the KK kamp have been able to rebut his arguments.
Instead, you're left with nothing but lies and ad hominem attacks, having utterly lost the linguistic arguments. You should try on for size your own words against us, "pathetic BAD loser, who deserves no respect".
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KS: selven an Furf Screfys Savonek? -- Ya, hep wow!
I'm fairly sure you're wrong, but check the archives. Michael had a fit of paranoia after he found Tim on the list, and because of Penny's attitude which he didn't like he said he'd be moderating her posts. I don't believe she was kicked out, so you're just slandering the poor maid. Anyway ask Michael.
Why anyway all this paranoid about who everyone is, why is everyone identity-mad these days? A fact is true or not regardless of the source. Either an argument adds up, a statement is verifiable etc., or it isn't.
edited by: morvran, Aug 27, 2008 - 10:29 PM
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I think it was some aspect of literature, but I could be wrong. Do you know the title or subject of his thesis?
Classics is not linguistics, it's Greek and Latin literature and ancient history. English isn't either, nor is Celtic. All of these may include some aspects of linguistics, but may not. It rather depends on who teaches the course. There are departments of linguistics at Edinburgh, Glasgow, London, Manchester and elsewhere in the UK. There are many in the USA, Australia and Europe. NJAW has never been on the staff of any of these, and afaik has never taken a qualification in linguistics. He is not therefore a "professional/academic linguist" he's just another opinionated train-spotter.
Seventy Percent of "competent & frequent" Cornish users prefer to write KK! (MAGA/CLP Survey)
Rebutted them backwards forwards and standing on my head. We've rebutted them over and over until we're blue in the face. However Williams and his disciples are real true believers, fact and reason cut no ice with them because they Know they are Right. It's like the debates between biologists and creationists, they know they're right because God said so. Read Pool's "Second Death of Cornish" and you'll see that he actually uses religious language to describe Nance, he thought he was a prophet who could Do No Wrong. NJAW gave up Cornish for decades, and only came back at the beck and call of the dinosaurs. He obviously wanted to be a big fish in a small pond. Btw. "The Ego has Landed" was the (fitting) title of a report of Williams' infamous "lecture" (harrang would be a better word if I could spell it) at Lostwithiel.
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