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Nicholas Williams, staunch royalist, strongly opposes Cornish independence

morvran Posted: 29.08.2008, 02:37

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People will give up one form for another which is clearly better. The change that most users made from UC to KK being the best example to date. By contrast there was no great rush to take up UCR, KS or it would seem the SWF. This is because none of them were widely perceived as being better than what people were already using.

If you want to replace KK, then you'll have to come up with something that nearly all Cornish users think is an improvement. For KK users that would have to be KK with a few inconsistencies removed (<'i'> and <y> in loanwords for example) and /z/ probably.

For UC users there can be no improvement since UC is perfect, since UC is what it is, entirely self-referential. It's advantage is it's absolute stability -- no revision for c920 years. People stuck with UC 20 years ago because they just didn't want any change at all.

So all I think you'll attract with KSII are a few 'Lates' and 'floating voters', mostly the few who currently use UCR/SWF.

If I were you I'd put your prejudice aside and do a bit of market research.



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Taran Posted: 29.08.2008, 09:37

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QuoteThe Bretons managed changes in their orthography and the Welsh and the Irish.


Then those who dedicated themselves to KK could do just the same goky. That little point works both ways.
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goky Posted: 29.08.2008, 11:28

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QuoteThat little point works both ways.
yes of course,but my comment still stands.You guys are saying that KK or the present SWF will not last, and I replied. I could say the the same thing about the losers who cannot decide on an orthography still!, after UC, UCR ,SWF (most of whom cannot even write or read the language in any system).



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marhak Posted: 29.08.2008, 11:53

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Don't the losers in the SWF process also include KK users? Steve, we all lost something from our preferred forms. All of us.
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goky Posted: 29.08.2008, 12:16

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Yea but I believe many of the KK speakers are keeping to KK or the existing SWF, not trying to change it again.I bet some of the UC users are going to stick to UC, it is just the few ie those on the Spelly list who cannot make up their minds, I am sure if NJW had accepted the SWF as is, there would be no Spelly list or dissent.

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marhak Posted: 29.08.2008, 15:47

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Has anyone noticed that this thread began as an attack upon an individual, namely Nicholas Williams?

How would you KK fanatics feel if I started a "Ken George is Barking" thread?

No, you wouldn't like it. You'd protest that I was every sh*t under the sun for doing so. So why do you do it?





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goky Posted: 30.08.2008, 05:49

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We already protest that you are every turd under the sun. The fact is, if KK was on it's last legs, as you and the Spelly people tell us, there would be no reason for you and your nasty friends to post such trash in every thread regardless of the subject of the thread.You would move on and let KK die.

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angofbew Posted: 30.08.2008, 08:52

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Hunlef
morvranThe point I think, was that if you and Hunlef etc. want to tell those you don't consider to be Cornish (whether by birth or outlook is never clear) to bugger off and not meddle with the language, then you ought to be even handed. Here is proof that NJAW is not by any stretch of the imagination "Cornish", yet you are happy to hang on to his ever word as far as the language goes. How do you explain that?


'Cos unlike you, he happens to be a qualified linguist! That'll do for starters, stamp-collector!


I do not agree Hunlef. As a self confessed 'Engish Person' can his own agenda contaminate his opinion? Also, we all know that Professionals do not agree and it is a matter of opinion in many aspects. Therefore just because he is qualified, does NOT mean his opinions are correct. I do not agree with him on so many things. I am Cornish and proud of it and I have seen these so called experts mess around and bugger up everything they touch. Also they tend to have a pompous attitude to everyone else, and I hate that.
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Bardh Posted: 30.08.2008, 23:14

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angofbew  Also, we all know that Professionals do not agree and it is a matter of opinion in many aspects. Therefore just because he is qualified, does NOT mean his opinions are correct. I do not agree with him on so many things. I am Cornish and proud of it and I have seen these so called experts mess around and bugger up everything they touch. Also they tend to have a pompous attitude to everyone else, and I hate that.
You'll doubtless be as delighted as the rest of us to hear that Nynja proposes to come and dwell among us, albeit for a few days, before long. He's going to put us right about the Saint Kea play, following this up with a closed session in which he'll explain to us why we're all wrong about pre-modern Cornish. Reliable sources indicate that tickets are already changes hands at the price of admission to a Madonna concert.Remember - you read it hear first!
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Verity Posted: 31.08.2008, 00:27

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I've come to this thread a bit late in the day and am not that focussed on language issues, but wasn't Henry Jenner a staunch Royalist who would have been very opposed to Cornish independence?

Is such a thread promoting the anonymous (in the main) character assassination of a named individual morally reprehensible?

I think so, and whoever started it should be ashamed of themselves, frankly.
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morvran Posted: 31.08.2008, 00:32

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Verity : Read a few of the other language threads (they do get a bit tangled!) so as to see where this is coming from.


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Verity Posted: 31.08.2008, 00:41

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Crikey, I'd have more fun reading the Chinese telephone directory!
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goky Posted: 31.08.2008, 00:44

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QuoteCrikey, I'd have more fun reading the Chinese telephone directory!

It is in the wrong orthography

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Verity Posted: 31.08.2008, 00:54

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There isn't a SWF of Chinese yet then? Crikey, it's bad enough Cornwall having such problems without 2 billion Chinese joining in!

Is NJW Chinese? Didn't someone say he was a Ninja?
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Verity Posted: 31.08.2008, 01:00

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This may be a case of the pot calling the kettle black, but isn't Penny Squires a complete b*tch for starting this nasty, petty thread?
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