There are lots of attestations of 'k' before 'a', 'o', 'u', 'l' and 'r'.
Why, even the word at the beginning of the name of the place west of Redruth can be found in the texts as 'kam' with a 'k' (alongside 'cam', of course).
These spellings with 'k' before 'a', 'o', 'u', 'l' and 'r' are traditional forms.
Recognising that fact may well present an excellent opportunity for bringing the SWF 'traditional form' a little more in line with the SWF 'main form' in five years' time.
Just to remind everyone what this thread is supposed to be about... although the anti-KK caucus seem to want to throw up smokescreen after smokescreen rather than attempt to answer the points Morvran raises...
Camborne, with a K is attested once and once only from a total of 37 attestations (Kameron 1252). For those who like to invoke majorities, that's a loser. The majority form is Cambron, attested 15 times over 7 centuries.
No, no, no you are missing my point entirely, you are accountants of language and you are killing this one. You are like a 19th century butterfly collector who wipes out a species in order to catalogue it.
OK, OK
1. True
2. True (until 1987). The Language Board was set up for THE Cornish language. Once it decided to support one new, artificial form, pay lip service to Unified and utterly ignore the rest, it lost that mandate. As a result it now has no greater status than does Agan Tavas or Cussel an Tavas Kernuack.
3. Can't comment - I'd never heard of it back then.
4. Can't comment for the same reason.
5. Ditto, but I have been told that this is not strictly true.
6. Can't comment - wasn't there.
7. Sadly true.
8. True, but informal discussion only, rather than any official or organised programme of discussion (see cases for and against in Old Cornwall editions of the time: one for (Brown) and two against (Pool and Gendall), as I recall).
9. Can't comment, wasn't there. Like all too many, wasn't told about it. Was this minuted?
10. False. Many took it up. Many didn't. You will have to prove the "great majority" bit.
11. Can't comment. I haven't a clue who were members and who were not. Are there records?
12.Can't comment, wasn't there. Is this minuted?
13. Can't comment. How many Fellowship members had dropped out in the interim?
14. As above - how many people wishing to use traditional forms had dropped out of the Fellowship?
15. True - because many non-KK users had dropped out.
16. True, on the face of it, but then Robert Mugabe got "re-elected" despite the majority vote against him. And George W. Bush first time round, despite the majority vote against him. And the Board is now proposing to drop all exams in UC, making it totally exclusive of anything but KK. True or false?
17. False. Agan Tavas was founded for those who wished to continue using traditional forms of Cornish, as stated in its constitution which contains nothing about opposing KK, or even mentions KK at all. Remember that the Board was no longer catering for the needs and preferences of those people and they needed a body that did. The Board would not listen to their viewpoint, and so they formed that body. They were given no other choice.
18. True. And for extremely good reasons. So have members of Cussel an Tavas Kernuack. And Teere ha Tavas.
19. False - not "as a consequence" which suggests that your version of events under 18 above created the split. They didn't. The split had already taken place due to most language users having been given no say in the matter. Agan Tavas did not create the split. The CLB of the time did, by embracing the supporters of one form and either rejecting the rest or paying them mere lip service.
20. False. The reluctance of the UK govt. to add Cornish to the European Charter was due to their wish not to recognise it. To do so would be to recognise the Cornish as not being "English". Only years of persistent pressure from ALL language movements got the job done. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the split. No funding has been delayed since then, as, apart from the small sum that has been made available, none has been specifically allocated.
21. Utterly, utterly false. And you know it.
Right, there are my answers which are honest, unlike several of your "questions" (actually statements, many of them loaded). And they won't change. Some might moan about that but they shouldn't have insisted on people like me responding, should they? As the forces say when under fire: "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined".
Here is the official list of the AHG members from the MAGA site:
Trond Trosterud Arbiter appointed by the Partnership
Albert Bock Assistant
Jori Ansell nominated by Kesva an Taves Kernewek
Ben Bruch Kernewek Dasunys
Andrew Climo nominated by Agan Tavas
Bernard Deacon nominated by Cussel an Tavaz Kernuak
Mina Dresser nominated by Cussel an Tavaz Kernuak
Pol Hodge nominated by Kesva an Taves Kernewek
Loveday Jenkin nominated by Kowethas an Yeth Kernewek
Rod Lyon nominated by Agan Tavas
Polin Pris nominated by Kowethas an Yeth Kernewek
Jenefer Lowe Partnership note-taker.
TT (Chair - neutral)
JL (Assistant - neutral)
AB (Technical Assistant - Worked on KK based Dasunys with BB)
BB (KK, Dasunys co-author)
JA (KK)
PH (KK)
LJ (KK)
PP (KK)
BD (RLC)
MD (RLC)
RL (UC)
AC (UC/UCR)
As is quite clear the committee had a clear bias to KK, with proponents and those with their primary Cornish experience based on KK weighting the committee.
KS technical advisers were largely ignored and prevented from participating in the discussions by LJ and her supporters. This has been documented elsewhere. The Breton advisers also complained of being ignored.
The committee leadership also unilaterally extended its remit to add a principle of conservation into its aims, primarily to weight KK word forms still further.
(b.t.w. I thought Ben was a technical advisor like Albert, rather than a full committee member?)
Could someone perhaps explain why KK had 4 reps
when the Kowethas and CLB are basically one and the same. Some of us thought the AHG was supposed to be representative of each orthography not organisation. Strikes me someone moved the fences.
um, no, they are different.Members of the Kowethas are not members of the CLB as well.I thought I would mention that little detail,as you seem a bit misinformed.
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