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StopTheMarina! Posted: 28.10.2005, 21:43



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Hello Everyone,

I have only recently become aware of Cornwall24 and have been gratified to read of the Penlee Quarry/Port Penlee thread; how many of you are against the development; and how many want to help - thank you for your support.

I apologise for our basic website holding page and to those who have tried to contact us through it, I'll reply to you individually over this coming weekend. The new website will be fully interactive thankfully.

Stop The Marina! are very active at the moment although it may not appear so to the untrained eye. We are preparing a letter writing campaign and a supporter's meeting at the end of November. I am also piecing together the new website which will be announced in a few more weeks. We have also joined forces with another protest group: 'Protect Newlyn Coombe', who are fighting against the proposed seafood park (fish processing industrial estate) on 16 acres of pristine greenfield site at Stable Hobba, Newlyn. The two schemes are linked, as are the other six schemes in and around Newlyn. There will be an article about the regeneration in The Times sometime in November. This will probably be in three consecutive installments, we had a reporting team down for a whole weekend. The big supporters meeting/get together will at the Lugger Inn PZ (function room) at the end of November - details to be announced.

I will be posting our two recent press releases and a piece that I am writing for the website which explains how the various schemes are all interconnected - these will be as three seperate new threads and hope this will not cause confusion. I would be very grateful for any constructive comments on these but I cannot guarantee that I will be able to extensively participate in the discussions; I really am up to my eyes in it at the moment and hope you can bear with me.

All the best, and thanks again,

Stop The Marina!
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lucy_ellis Posted: 28.10.2005, 21:57



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why don't you find out the names of the people behind the marina. then find out the names of the people behind some other schemes you don't like. you might find they are the same names. then you can start naming names. they won't like that. at the moment 'stop the marina' sounds like an inside job to get people barking up the wrong tree. you can only 'stop the marina' if you bring people down. it just depends on how much you really want it.
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cornishpagan Posted: 30.10.2005, 01:10



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:!: Lucy
You seem to be very anti the stop the marina group,(in your various postings across this site) without actually having been in touch with them; I am beginning to wonder if you work for the Marina developers or their various co-investors
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xxxxxx Posted: 30.10.2005, 09:18



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QuoteYes they are a bunch of lazy, ill-educated, ungrateful rif-raff.
I never suggested they were. Seeing as the MK crowd here think that second class, state provided, subsidised by taxes, housing is all the Cornish can aspire to, then maybe you should vent your ire at them. I'm not doing the Cornish down by suggesting they compete with the rest of the UK am I?

QuoteWhere your, wonderfully well thought out suggestion falls a little flat is that Cornwall now has the highest differential between wages and property prices in the UK. So to earn enough money to buy a house requires earning an over average salary and this in turn involves leaving Cornwall.
How come I moved to Cornwall, and on a health workers salary, bought my house then?



Quote In the meantime, as has been mentioned in this thread every home that goes on the market is sold to retirees or second home owners.
It's what we in the real world call "a lie". Some 20% go to second homes/retireee's, the rest go to those who get their thumbs out of their butts and actually compete in the market.



QuoteHow would you feel about paying £180,000 for a very average house on your salary?
I'd feel it was affordable. Jealous? Don't blame me for what I earn. Don't blame me for not demanding special treatment. Don't blame me for working 10-15 hours overtime per week.
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lyskerrys Posted: 11.11.2005, 11:09



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Strop, not everyone in Cornwall (or anywhere else) earns above average wages. That's why they are called *average* wages. If checkout girls and dustmen and seasonal ice-cream sellers were paid the same wages as a lawyer then I'm sure all of us could afford homes in Cornwall. But they aren't, and never will be, so getting "their thumbs out of their butts" won't necessarily help them if the only jobs they are able (or feel able) to do are in the lower end of the pay spectrum. I'm not jealous of what you earn, but I also don't care that you work overtime, or that you don't cover the mortgage on your second home with the rent you charge. That's your choice, don't ram it down our throats, and don't expect any sympathy from the rest of us. I have to work overtime too, and I don't get paid for it, but it's my choice and you don't hear me bleating on about it (well, except then obviously).
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chris Posted: 11.11.2005, 12:26

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QuoteI'd feel it was affordable. Jealous?

No, not really, last year I was statistically in the top 5% earnings wise it the UK. No I just have something called principles and a sense of fairness. So if you want to play who's got more money, you lose!
In terms of house prices, that would almost have been a net loss over the year between 2003/4 as the average house price went up around that much.
QuoteDon't blame me for what I earn. Don't blame me for not demanding special treatment. Don't blame me for working 10-15 hours overtime per week.

And don't give me that shit about working hard blah, blah. I have a list of professional qualifications and 2 degrees, one of which is a first class that I took part time whilst doing 2 jobs. I work ALL the time.
That's besides the point you shouldn't have to be in the top 5% to be able to buy a house.
Quotethe rest go to those who get their thumbs out of their butts and actually compete in the market.

Average wage in Penwith is around £16k average house price is around £200k - I think even you can do the maths for that.
QuoteHow come I moved to Cornwall, and on a health workers salary, bought my house then?

Times have changed - read the news. $1.2 trillion personal debt, 300% house price inflation
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lyskerrys Posted: 11.11.2005, 15:25



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"chris_l"last year I was statistically in the top 5% earnings wise it the UK.

It's your round! :wink:
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chris Posted: 11.11.2005, 18:06

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It's the top 4% who earn all the money icon_wink
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StopTheMarina! Posted: 14.11.2005, 09:51



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Anyone in the UK earning over £15k pa is in the top 1% of earners globally - who's round now?
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Ian Posted: 14.11.2005, 09:57



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Good one STM!!

Yes we need to think globally every time we think and I don't believe that concern for our immediate community is contradicting that (before someone accuses me of it).
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porthia1947 Posted: 18.01.2006, 23:47



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stroppy wrote:
QuoteHow come I moved to Cornwall, and on a health workers salary, bought my house then?


Yes but a half decent nurses salary stroppy which is not good but then again not bad for Cornwall. Did you also have a house to sell wherever you were before?
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xxxxxx Posted: 19.01.2006, 01:28



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Yes but a half decent nurses salary stroppy which is not good but then again not bad for Cornwall.

So why are Cornish kids unable to train as nurses and healthcare workers and earn; " half decent nurses salary, which is not good but then again not bad for Cornwall"? Why are they relugated to low paid jobs in the tourist industry?


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Did you also have a house to sell wherever you were before?

Nope, it's the first and only house I have bought. I saved for the deposit out of money I earned while working in an off-license in Exeter, which also paid for my second degree.
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cledry_maid Posted: 19.01.2006, 08:30



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How come I moved to Cornwall, and on a health workers salary, bought my house then?

When did you do that?
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xxxxxx Posted: 24.01.2006, 05:16



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Here's what's happening in my home town, just out of interest..


Quote15/09/05 LLANELLI WATERSIDE: A £250MILLION MASTERPLAN HERALDS A NEW ERA OF OPPORTUNITY
Full articlePlans that are set to attract £250million of private sector investment and create up to 1500 jobs were announced today (Thursday Sept 15) at the launch of Llanelli Waterside - a blueprint for the transformation and regeneration of the town’s coastal belt.

Llanelli Waterside takes in five key sites, provides more than 100 acres of development land and extends from Sandy Water Park in the West to the Machynys peninsula in the east.

The framework that will drive forward the proposals was launched today by Andrew Davies, Minister for Economic Development and Transport and is geared to provide for:

• up to 1500 new jobs
• 1000 new homes
• 340,000 sq ft of business and office space
• 180,000 sq ft of leisure development


He described it as a new era of opportunity for Llanelli that would make a significant impact on the regional economy.

The Masterplan - a framework for future development - highlights key investment sites for leisure, business and housing that will have a major impact on the future growth and prosperity of the town and the regional economy.

The Masterplan aims to maximise the range of prime waterside sites within the coastal belt to create a new coastal environment. The area is seen as ripe for investment with huge potential and will be marketed nationally and internationally

The ten year plan will be taken forward through a joint venture between the Welsh Development Agency and Carmarthenshire County Council.

The new name- Llanelli Waterside - reflects the prime waterside development opportunities and reinforces the quality of environment and lifestyle on offer.

Llanelli Waterside will serve to integrate the town with the coastline and takes in the magnificent expanse of coastline, two manmade lakes and an impounded dock and links a range of sites with huge development potential.


THE FIVE KEY SITES


North Dock
An 18 acre site at the heart of the Millennium Coastal Park offering prime development opportunities to include a new business district and commercial leisure uses such as a café bar, restaurant and landmark hotel along with further residential

Delta Lakes
This 34 acre site is earmarked for a mix of commercial and business development to include a high tech business park for high growth sectors. The Avenue also provides opportunities for medium rise housing, live/work units and affordable housing.

Sandy Water Park
A 4.3 acre lakeside residential and leisure site with links to Llanelli town centre via The People’s Park.

Old Castle Works
This 7.5acre brownfield site has planning consent for commercial and leisure which could include a cinema, bowling and theatre for the arts as well as associated restaurants and bars.

Machynys
This 25 acre area with stunning views overlooking Carmarthen Bay and the championship golf course offers a selection of high quality residential sites.



QuoteCarmarthenshire County Council
Coastal Park success
LLANELLI’S Millennium Coastal Park is now Carmarthenshire’s most popular attraction with over 600,000 visitors a year.

The award-winning park has gone from strength to strength and is used daily by hundreds of people.

Some 300 people have also bought car park season tickets to take regular advantage of the attraction.

Dozens of other motorists visit daily along with pedestrians and cyclists. The park is used by people of all ages and abilities from young joggers aiming to keep fit to older people going for a stroll.

Since opening last year, the £2million Discovery Centre at North Dock has also been extremely busy.

Over the Christmas holidays, the facility closed only on Christmas Day and New Year’s Day and was visited by numerous people, both from the Llanelli area and further afield.

MCP manager Rory Dickinson said: “The latest figures we have received from two independent consultants estimate that around 600,000 people are now using the Millennium Coastal Park.

“We are delighted with its growing popularity and are committed to providing even more facilities and further improvements for the public to enjoy.”

The Carmarthenshire County Council managed park is the UK’s biggest land reclamation project and stretches for 22km along the West Wales coastline.

More than 2,000 acres of contaminated and neglected industrial wasteland was transformed into a major tourist attraction for the £30million project – with funding through a £13.75million Lottery grant, the county council and Welsh Development Agency.

Last year, the MCP beat off competition across Britain to win the National Lottery’s Amazing Space Award.

Stretching from Pembrey Country Park in the west to the National Wetlands Centre at Penclacwydd in the east, it already boasts a host of attractions.

Wildlife and history trails, cycleways, a community woodland and park, promenade, marina, an 18-hole Jack Nicklaus-designed golf course, six lakes and other attractions are provided.

The council’s Regeneration and Leisure executive board member Cllr Clive Scourfield said: “The Coastal Park is a major success story which has brought amazing benefits to the Llanelli area and the rest of the county.

“The promotion of health and leisure is a priority for the council and we are committed to doing all we can to help people enjoy a better quality of life here in Carmarthenshire.”

Press note: For more information contact Debbie Williams, Press Manager, on 01267 224037.
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lyskerrys Posted: 24.01.2006, 08:43



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QuoteThe Masterplan aims to maximise the range of prime waterside sites within the coastal belt to create a new coastal environment. The area is seen as ripe for investment with huge potential and will be marketed nationally and internationally

And how many local Llanellians (?? icon_smile ) will be able to buy houses in these prime waterside locations? I imagine, very few.
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