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Penlee Quarry & luxury housing

xxxxxx Posted: 24.01.2006, 08:54



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Yes, but does that matter? icon_biggrin
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porthia1947 Posted: 13.05.2008, 12:17



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I see from photos on the CoSERG website that development of the Penlee quarry is proceding. I tell you what it reminds me of and it's those entrances to thase Costa Blanca or Algarvian type housing developments aimed at the British/Dutch/German ex-pat market!
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marhak Posted: 13.05.2008, 21:25

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It all goes to show how bloody useless the current planners at Penwith are. In the past, when I was part of that set-up, the Forward Planning section used to bind on about the lack of land in the district for industrial development.

My constant reminders that Hayle Harbour and Penlee Quarry were just that - large industrial sites left vacant - so reuse them for industrial purposes - fell on totally deaf ears.

No, all they're interested in for both sites is luxury housing for the idle rich from elsewhere. The only benefit to the local community will be the occasional Cornish person employed on a part time basis (i.e. no minimum wage lowe rlimit and no employment rights) to clean the bogs.

Penwith Council has this logo on their vans: "serving the community". OK, but which community are they talking about? It sure as hell isn't the local Penwith community, which they are doing their level best to destroy (one of the senior plannig officers recently advised a St Just firm to relocate to the Midlands, thereby putting 20+ St Just people out of work). We just pay for it (in more ways than one).



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HortonBar Posted: 13.05.2008, 21:37



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Marhak

I do so agree!!

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chris Posted: 14.05.2008, 12:07

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So, do you reckon the Penlee quarry development will ever get finished?
I don't
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Trevorpen Posted: 14.05.2008, 12:57



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I certainly hope so!
Sadly with fishing in terminal decline, it's what Penzance/ Newlyn certainly needs.
Investment in the area is desperately needed. This will give employment to marine associated industry, for instance ship chandlers.
This will become an excellent berth, before sailing to the Scilllies.
One only has to look at Falmouth/ Penryn to see how the area has been transformed.
There is a lot of investment and job creation for a marina comlex in the disused Penlee quarry.
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porthia1947 Posted: 14.05.2008, 14:33



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Well I'm not going over the arguments when they are all on the Stop the Marina website, but will say when there's only so much brownfield land to go around and there is a dire need for housing for local need it's quite antisocial to be using this spot for luxury housing, which is only exacerbating the general housing situation by attracting more and more relatively rich people to come and live here which not only moves us closer to a point where we are going to have to use greenfield land for local housing need, but it is also going to keep Cornish housing prices so high that no one that doesn't have a £100,000 a year income will be able to afford them.

QuoteThe current population of England is 50 million, but by 2056 the figure will be 68 million, meaning an average of 1,349 people will live in every square mile. At the moment England’s population density is 1,010 people per square mile.


In London the population density will jump from 12,377 people per square mile to 13,910 over the course of just 20 years, increasing strain on housing and transport to unprecedented levels.

Source: Daily Telegraph


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QuoteOut of the 50 highest-earning local authorities, 15 were in London, 21 in the south east and 10 in the east of England.

"Earnings are highest in London and the south east while the lowest earnings are in the north of England and the south west," Tim Crawford, Halifax group economist, said.

Source: BBC News


The 10 local authorities with the highest-average earnings are in London or the South East of England. If 0.05% of people from here wanted to move to Cornwall it would just about double our current population.

We haven't even yet got onto the subject of the negative environmental impact of more roads and more cars. But Trevorpen you probably think a few short term jobs during the development stage and a relatively few in boat chandlery after that is all worth it.
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piskey6 Posted: 14.05.2008, 15:11

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No one's got any money anymore to spend on luxury buildings in Cornwall. They've realised it ain't the sunny paradise Cornwall Pure Business told them so they've all gone back to London!

Anyone need change for the Tamar bridge toll? Got plenty!

Now **** off!





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Trevorpen Posted: 14.05.2008, 15:22



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I agree with a lot you write, Porthia. BUT there are areas for social housing and this is not one of them.
This area is in need of investment. It's in one of the most beautiful bays in the country if not the world.
Marinas create many jobs, not just in the non-skilled sector, but also the skilled and professional sector.
If we want the next generation of youngsters to remain in the locality after education, we need developments like this.
Building houses does not create many jobs after they are constructed.
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chris Posted: 14.05.2008, 16:53

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Recession on its way. City jobs being slashed. Housing market ground to a halt whilst someone finds reverse gear.
It's all a bit of a moot point now - they'll go bankrupt before it gets finished.
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marhak Posted: 14.05.2008, 17:51

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It'll be like Hayle harbour, I expect. Years of successive purchasers submitting increasingly ambitious applications and getting them approved so they can sell the place on at ever-increasing profits, while letting the listed harbour walls crumble away. The Council has the enforcement power under the Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) Act 1990, to enforce repair work to the listed structures. But will they ever have the balls to do it?

Not while members of the Planning Committee continue to do rather well from the developers. Cynical or an inside track? You decide.
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morgarrow Posted: 08.09.2008, 22:46

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Still don't know what's happening at the Penlee Quarry development. Went there the other day and saw it was a little bit more tarted up, particularly around the bit you can see from the locked gate. There is a telephone number on the gate though if you want a request to look around.
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Kerrow Posted: 08.09.2008, 23:06



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Some pretty good news from down there this week.

One of the 'UK's largest property developers', Grahame Whateley has pulled out, and dropped plans to invest in Penlee.

However, Iliffe says he is still pushing ahead for his luxury housing and marina complex - despite not having submitted any sort of formal planning application.



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marhak Posted: 09.09.2008, 11:00

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To let the sea into Penlee Quarry will mean blasting through the barrier of land on which runs the Newlyn-Mousehole road (which will somewhat spoil the Mousehole second-home owners' day). This also means blasting through the foreshore. And who owns that? Like Carlyon Bay, what's Charlie's take on this? Does he even know? If he doesn't, and his consent is not given, then the development will be unlawful.
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Kerrow Posted: 09.09.2008, 12:47



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MarhakTo let the sea into Penlee Quarry will mean blasting through the barrier of land on which runs the Newlyn-Mousehole road


And this is possibly the most disturbing aspect of the Penlee Marina plan, for it will mean that at certain times, Mousehole will be cut off for vehicular access, including for emergency vehicles.
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