I hope I haven't missed a discussion on this subject, but just wanted some information about the campaign to highlight the inappropriateness (a subjective statement I know) of the plans to develop the Penlee Quarry site just outside Newlyn by building 200 luxury homes and a hotel (with the usual few "affordable" houses thrown in as bait) to go with the marina which is also planned? It is being argued that this development would create a village four times the size of nearby Paul.
I was down Mousehole Sunday and even now, not in the main holiday period there were traffic problems. Also can anyone honestly believe that the type of houses built around a marina are going to sell that well if the potential well off buyers think that they'll be living next to people who have to resort to buying "affordable" houses??? Call me cynical if you like but I can see the affordable house being shoved away in a corner somewhere and certainly there won't be many local people able to afford any of those not classed as affordable. Do they honestly think, as claimed by those in favour of the project, the people moving to Cornwall and into this housing development are going to be bringing jobs and wealth to us? No, we know there is little altruism involved here - it's all part of tactics for someone to make a quick buck!!!
The Cornwall Wildlife Trust is deeply concerned by proposals for the creation of a marina and hotel at Penlee Quarry, one of Cornwall's most important wildlife and geological havens.........
This type of thing is happening all over Cornwall.
Two Jags has proposals to concrete over lots of places to meet 'demand'
Cornwall needs affordable housing.
There is little profit for developers in affordable housing.
Solution acording to overpaid think tank, build expensive high margin housing to subsidise cost of affordable housing.
What does not occur to the overpaid think tank, is that only people on high wages can afford expensive houses, as these wages are not availabe locally, buyers are likely to be second home owners. These people are not here enough of the year too support local services so more businesses close. More businesses closing means fewer jobs and employers can pay lower wages to staff.
The amount that local people can afford to pay for housing drops.
Cornwall needs even cheaper affordable housing.
As so much housing resource is used for second homes demand for housing rises. Prescotts answer - build more houses.
I am firmly of the opinion that certain ministers pension funds are invested in property and construction companies.
If local councils refuse to be a part of the above madness they miss a government target, if they miss targets central government gives more of the money collected in Cornwall to councils elsewhere that have met their targets. Cornwall loses either way.
What jobs would be there in the winter, looking at a photo of Mylor Harbour taken earlier this year there were only around 20 boats in the water, and this is somewhat more sheltered than Newlyn. We dont see these 'sunday sailors' for most of the year, and unless lots of people suddenly buy boats it is likely that the marina will merely take business from another part of Cornwall.
We have plenty of overpriced 'resorts' in Cornwall and the English south coast has many more, but is this what our more regular visitors want? I was talking to a visitor staying in the village recently, he had been visiting for the last few years, having previously spent most of his holidays in St Ives. He said that St Ives had been 'spoiled' and said of a recent visit there 'I could have cried when I looked across to Carbis Bay' Is this what we want for the future?
Maybe it's that sort of attitude that makes developers thing "hmmm..we offer to put up some affordable houses for those Cornish who cannot compete in the housing market, and what thanks do we get? A big ziltch, and slagged off into the bargain. Let's put up some more profitable houses there instead..."
You complain that the Cornish cannot afford houses, then when someone comes along and offers to put some up, as part of a development, you moan about that too...
Hey guys, why not form your own housing development group and put up cheap houses for the Cornish. with all your expertise, (abiet it's all at decrying other peoples efforts,) you should be on a winner!
Shame that everyone else there seems to think it's a good idea, maybe you should keep to this forum?
Yep stroppy - we are not prepared to sit back and allow our people to become a Cornish version of "shantytown dwellers" without a whimper. So you and others who would prefer us to allow free-reign to the vested interest of the laizes-fair system can, to be polite, go increase their bipedal locomotion and use their uniarticular muscles to generate the propulsive energy to overcome gravity. [added later to show no hard feelings :arrow: ]
This morning I heard that aborigine groups were not enamoured at Bob Hawke's (yes I know of his Cornish connection) suggestion of burying the planet’s nuclear waste under desert areas. Now that's a subject for discussion i.e. should Australia be lumbered with such dangerous waste products while the rest of the world continues to add to global warming that is arguably adding to the current drought problems requiring high cost solutions, which Australia has to find the money for (one of the reasons Bob Hawke gave for suggesting the cash-for-waste solution)?
Surely Stroppy you have heard of the process of gentrification, where an area falls into favour with the posh folk and the riff-raff are cleared out. Well it seems to me that this is what is happening to Cornwall. Of course having no interest in Cornwall or it people and community this won't worry you. I heard it was happening in Wales as well, but I doubt that will concern you either.
Bit like what happened to the aborigines in Australia. They got forced out by the British! But I'm sure that doesn't worry you either
Affordable housing and the Aborigine debate are worlds apart. I have to agree with Stroppy, nothing pleases you. I have family in Penwith, they have a nice home, and enjoy life. One of them works, the other is on a disability pension, and helps to look after thier home. They don't sit about moaning about the posh people and locals being priced out of homes etc. They get on with their lives.
I find I hard to belive that, following the debacle in the MK thread, where first I was accused of introducing "strawman" of tax, as I'd adressed a point raised by porthia on ....ermmmm... tax, then when I proved that I did not start the tax issue, I was accused of introducing the strawman of MK policies (this in a debate ostensibly on MK policies!!)
But now we see the gall of the moaning minies pulling "Australia's attitude to nuclear waste," into a thread on houses being built in Mousehole!! B-WA-A-A-H!
Laughable, pathetic, and unworthy of this forum...
A lot of people in the world just get on with their lives, they are able to do this because people aruond them or who have gone before did not, but campaigned to improve things. Granted it is an extreme example but millions of Jews died because others just got on with their lives. I live in a nice house in a good area, but I know people who are struggling however hard they work. Cornwall receives objective one because there is real poverty. Thousands of affordable homes are needed if they were all built as a token gesture thrown in by a developer there would be little natural coastline left. Already The Lizard has over 80% second homes communities have died, it would be madness to allow this to extended to the rest of Cornwall. Imagime your own community with shops shutterd for much of the year, busineses closed so you have to go miles for basic provisions and having to make the money you earned in the summer often on minimum wage last all year. This should not happen in a so called developd country, but unless the articulate campaign ( or moan as you call it) nothing will change.
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