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	Single Written Form for Cornish Language
Cuairteoir	Posted: 19.11.2005, 16:09
registered: Nov. 2005 Posts: 8 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	As someone who doesn't live in Cornwall I realise that I may not have a clear picture of the current language scheme. However I'm still not clear why there is still controversy if Kemmyn is used by the vast majority. What is meant by vast majority? Over 50%? It appears that the Kemmyn group feels no responsibility to reach out to those who honestly think that it is not the answer. Was there any attempt to gain a consensus when the CLB adopted Kemmyn? How long was the matter discussed before adopting the policy? Was there any input from learners or was it unilaterally decided at the top? There have been some in this discussion who seem to be in favour of Kemmyn but no one advocating UC/UCR or Late Cornish, perhaps we could get some input from them, if they are out there. The idea that there are no impartial outside experts doesn't seem correct. I am sure that there are Welsh, Breton, Gaelic or even non-Celtic linguists who might help to defuse this situation. I am sure that the English are thoroughly enjoying the spectacle of Celtic infighting, confirming their stereotypical view of 'us' (said as a Hiberno-Welsh descendant). More Cornish solidarity (mar plek/pleg).


lyskerrys	Posted: 21.11.2005, 16:09
registered: Apr. 2005 Posts: 928 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	Finally a newsletter from the conference organisers! It basically says that: 1 - The new Cornish Language Partnership is in the process of being established and will replace the Advisory and Steering Groups. Full details of the Partnership will soon be on the C(C)C website. 2 - A report on the conference is being printed at this very moment and will be distributed shortly. 3 - A Cornish language version of the Cornwall "blaze marque" (uh? :?) has been agreed with "Kernow" instead of "Cornwall". 4 - The Cornish Subcommittee of the European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages is holding an open seminar on "Funding from Europe" at 10am on November 26th at the Cornwall Centre, Alma Place Redruth.


porthia1947	Posted: 21.11.2005, 17:22
registered: Apr. 2005 Posts: 691 Status: offline last visit: 12.05.08	Quote 3 - A Cornish language version of the Cornwall "blaze marque" (uh? ) has been agreed with "Kernow" instead of "Cornwall". Uhhh! (regarding the "...has been agreed with "Kernow" instead of "Cornwall".) But thanks for the information generally lyskerrys.


Mike	Posted: 21.11.2005, 17:53
registered: Jul. 2004 Posts: 2134 Status: offline last visit: 12.05.08	If anyone hasn't seen the 'blaze marque' it's here: www.cornwallenterprise.co.uk/ docs/Branding%20Blaze%20Marque.doc Just download the .doc file and gaze with awe. I quite like it but it doesn't take a great imagination to replace 'Cornwall' with 'Kernow'


Cuairteoir	Posted: 21.11.2005, 18:47
registered: Nov. 2005 Posts: 8 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	I am glad to hear that something is finally being said about the conference :P ! I hope that the conference report will be posted on this site. Good luck from a well-intentioned Yank.


lyskerrys	Posted: 22.11.2005, 09:32
registered: Apr. 2005 Posts: 928 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	The link doesn't work Mike, please check and repost.


Mike	Posted: 22.11.2005, 10:50
registered: Jul. 2004 Posts: 2134 Status: offline last visit: 12.05.08	Lyskerrys: www.cornwallenterprise.co.uk/ docs/Branding%20Blaze%20Marque.doc Copy the above into Google and search. You then need to download the Word document. Only part of the link highlights on here


lyskerrys	Posted: 22.11.2005, 17:05
registered: Apr. 2005 Posts: 928 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	Correct link to marque document. WOW! That's INCREDIBLE! It makes me want to rush out and buy EVERYTHING with that label on it! I wonder how many thousands of pounds of OUR money was handed over to some wanky design company to produce that?


lyskerrys	Posted: 22.11.2005, 17:14
registered: Apr. 2005 Posts: 928 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	Cuairteoir I'm not so positive about the missive about the conference - where are the deadlines? The definitive path of action? Who is going on the panel and why? It's still far too wishy-washy.


cledry_maid	Posted: 22.11.2005, 18:16
registered: Oct. 2005 Posts: 1347 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	Quote I wonder how many thousands of pounds of OUR money was handed over to some wanky design company to produce that? Hopefully not a lot - it's dire :shock:


GolowDydh	Posted: 22.11.2005, 18:23
registered: Aug. 2005 Posts: 392 Status: offline last visit: 31.01.08	Maybe you should ask the Quote Brand Manager Or the Quote Brand Development Assistant


Mike	Posted: 22.11.2005, 18:31
registered: Jul. 2004 Posts: 2134 Status: offline last visit: 12.05.08	I have to admit I quite like it. There's not a lot you can do to a cross-type flag unlike the Union Flag with diagonals where you can use segments eg British Airways tail fins


Cuairteoir	Posted: 22.11.2005, 19:19
registered: Nov. 2005 Posts: 8 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	I recently came across a paper on the web by Dave Sayers, at the Dept. of Sociology at Essex entitled "Standardising Diversity-The Language Revival Paradox" that I found enlightening. He discusses the motivations of the various Cornish language "camps". He mentions the various factors influencing the selection of one of the varieties: ease of acquisition, esthetics and authenticity. (How about all three?) Whatever the outcome, it seems as if they are doing a great disservice to potential supporters of the language. Who is even going to purchase learning materials with these issues up in the air?


lyskerrys	Posted: 23.11.2005, 10:41
registered: Apr. 2005 Posts: 928 Status: offline last visit: 17.02.07	I wouldn't be at all surprised if that crappy logo didn't cost Â£10,000. Does anyone else remember all the defacing of the English Heritage roses on road signs, which led to C(C)C running a competition to come up with a replacement, and that schoolgirl's St Piran's flag (surprise surprise) logo was chosen with a big fanfare across the media? Been put up on a lot of roadsigns, hasn't it? I would estimate, maybe....none. Anywhere. Total waste of time and money and just a face-saving exercise to stop the graffiti.


Mike	Posted: 23.11.2005, 11:38
registered: Jul. 2004 Posts: 2134 Status: offline last visit: 12.05.08	The signs (about 4) for Geevor mining museum are the only ones I have seen with the St Piran's flag. Councillor Neil Plummer from Stithians unveilled them some time ago. I think they look superb. The Tudor rose has been removed from all? the other signs, but no flags yet. That's why it's important to get on with the dual language signs and stop fannying about

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