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Waste incinerator outrage

fancyabrew Posted: 29.01.2006, 11:05



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You say you've looked at Greenpeace and manufacturer's figures - well, surprise, surprise, one says they're terrible, the other that they are wonderful. Neither set of figures are unbiased


Well said. Meth has fallen in to the old trap that because its some charity who has said something, then it must be true, because only governments have an agenda.
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Mehitabel Posted: 29.01.2006, 11:19



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QuoteCheers, single-issue newbie.

I joined the forum less than 24 hours ago. Give us a chance! But even if this is the only topic I ever start or contribute to, does that make it less important and less relevant to Cornwall?

QuoteBy constructive you mean an opinion that agrees with yours, I presume.

I don't think asking to be presented with evidence (for or against the issue) can in any way be construed as seeking only opinions that agree with mine. I clearly stated that I'm willing to be convinced. If incineration is truly a clean way to dispose of waste and generate electricity it's bloody fantastic, and I'm all for it. So show me the evidence.
By constructive I mean not deriding, insulting or seizing on the most minor of asides, but responding to the core questions: is incineration as safe as 'they' say, have the alternatives been properly explored, practical and safe solutions to the problem etc etc. In short, a debate.

QuoteYou say you've looked at Greenpeace and manufacturer's figures - well, surprise, surprise, one says they're terrible, the other that they are wonderful.


It stands to reason that Greenpeace and a manufacturer such as ALSTROM are at opposite ends of this argument. Duh!

QuoteNeither set of figures are unbiased. Until you get an investigation which is financed by a disinterested party


As I know of no such investigation, it seems the obvious place to start informing myself about this issue would be to look at what both fors and againsts have to say and assume the 'working' truth lies roughly in the middle as a starting point, until I find the hard data, which I will do my utmost to do.
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Mehitabel Posted: 29.01.2006, 11:23



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QuoteWell said. Meth has fallen in to the old trap that because its some charity who has said something, then it must be true, because only governments have an agenda.

How on earth did you infer that from anything I've written? You have completely misunderstood. I believe I specifically referred to Greenpeace's agenda in an earlier post. Of COURSE they have an agenda - they're environmental activists for God's sake!
'Meth'
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lyskerrys Posted: 29.01.2006, 12:04



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"cledry_babe"I think you've both misunderstood each other.


Maybe so. Shake and start again, Meth? icon_smile
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Mehitabel Posted: 29.01.2006, 12:08



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Ok. I'd like that icon_lol . After all, we've both got Cornwall's best interests at heart, haven't we? Seems stupid to be fighting about it.

I will try to post other stuff if I have something useful and/or interesting to say.
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lyskerrys Posted: 29.01.2006, 12:28



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Sorry about the newbie thing, was rather an unnecessary dig.
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Stonefly Posted: 29.01.2006, 13:43

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They'll be snogging in a minute :mrgreen:
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cledry_maid Posted: 29.01.2006, 16:23



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From another site I frequent:

QuoteI am pretty certain I remember reading about a council - in London, I think it was ... maybe Islington? Finchley? - employing a Recycling Officer specifically to pound the streets and do spot-checks on everyone's garbage and recycling. This included businesses as well as private homes, and the officer was empowered to issue on-the-spot fines for those not sticking to the rules.


QuoteWe're sort of having that around our area at the moment (Gloucester). The neighbourhood warden goes out on bin day and checks who has put their recycling bin out or not and and full it is. Anyone who does not put out their bin will be getting a letter from the council.


'Meth' - sorry icon_biggrin Those quotes came from the site I mentioned to you earlier. They have very knowledgeable people on there about all things environmental - they may have info/ideas/opinions about the types of incinerators you and lys were talking about.
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fancyabrew Posted: 29.01.2006, 20:38



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I have a feeling they have tried something similar in Plymouth without too much of a success.
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Mehitabel Posted: 29.01.2006, 23:21



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QuoteSorry about the newbie thing, was rather an unnecessary dig.

I forgive you. It's nice of you to admit it!

Stonefly - is that an emoticon for 'green with envy'?! icon_lol
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govman Posted: 02.02.2006, 21:39



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In response to the original posting by Mehitabel, yes there are some action groups in mid Cornwall that are fighting the plans by the county council to build a mass burn incinerator. There is CAIR at Roche and STIG at St.Dennis. I support their campaigns. How short sighted the CC is to embark on a 30 year contract of incineration. 30 years when technologies for dealing with waste will advance in terms of recycling and composting thus rendering a mass burn incinerator prohibitively costly because there will not be enough waste to burn. The outfall from this incinerator will affect people who live in a 25 mile radius so it will not just be the people of mid Cornwall that will suffer from this monster. The CC tell us that the emissions will be similar to those of a car exhaust but what they fail to tell us is that the emissions will be equal to 385 million miles of car exhaust. People of Cornwall it's time to stand up and oppose this scheme before it is too late. Do something now ! Don't Waste Cornwall's Waste
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xxxxxx Posted: 03.02.2006, 03:49



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This is what's happening in our neck of the bush..
QuoteThe ACT was the first government in the world to set a goal of achieving NO WASTE going to landfill. Launched in 1996, the Waste Management Strategy for Canberra has been developed to set the vision and future directions for waste management in the Australian Capital Territory. The No Waste by 2010 - A Waste Management Strategy for Canberra ( ) is a result of extensive community consultation which has identified a strong desire to achieve a waste free society by 2010.

This means all sectors of the Canberra community working to reduce the amount of waste that they produce and for waste to be viewed as a resource, rather than garbage to be thrown into a landfill. Although ambitious, reaching no waste by 2010 is achievable with the willingness, co-operation and participation of all Canberrans.

The strategy establishes a framework for sustainable resource management and lists broad actions which are needed to achieve the aim of a waste-free society. These include:

Community Commitment
Avoidance and Reduction
Resource Recovery
Residual Waste Management
Creative Solutions

http://www.nowaste.act.gov.au/implementingthenowastestrategy
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cledry_maid Posted: 03.02.2006, 09:48



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I wonder what happened to mehitabel - she hasn't been back.
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fancyabrew Posted: 03.02.2006, 10:21



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been incinerated
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