Peter Tatchell: Self Rule For Cornwall - The Guardian

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Post by Pfishwick » Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:31 am

A certain "ChildoftheIsles" has just posted. ;-)

Nos da,

Patrick

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Post by Marhak » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:18 am

Hey, Mike - if we'd had a cavalry charge like that in 1549, we'd have won!

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Post by Celticwarrior » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:02 pm

Theres some very venomous anti Cornish comments on there...what is it with the middle Englander mindset ...Cornwall ay! thats where we go on ones hols..cant have them having a say in there own lands now can we!?>

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Post by Nige999 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:04 pm

I have just got my TMobile web&walk back online and read some of the comments posted by ignorant, opinionated, arrogant and smallminded individuals - won't call their ill informed nasty rants racist but I find them bigoted and insulting.

Not Celtic FFS, yeah right !

What they do not understand is that their ignorant ranting will only strengthen our cause.


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Post by Masterclass » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:20 pm

"Won't this further congest the European and World Cup qualifying groups?"

Did make me laugh, though.

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Post by Allister » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:08 pm

Page 5 of the St Austell Guardian carries the story today giving links to both the Guardian comment is free page and the Cornish Fighting Fund website.

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Post by Marhak » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:30 pm

TK, what did you post on the Guardian comments forum that the moderator saw fit to delete?

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Post by Allister » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:37 pm

Shaz:

Editorial on independence sparks interest on website.


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Post by GrahamHart » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:39 pm

Bleddy 'ell ! It's still going on.

Comments now at a thousand and ten.



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Post by TheElvenLord » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:00 pm

My comment:




Hi everyone

Okay, I am not going to rant and call you names, like some others have, but I am going to put forward some FACTS about Cornwall, and would like you to consider them before you comment on Cornwall and its population.

Cornwall WAS a nation of Celts called Cornovii (named by the Romans), and we know this from historical texts written by the Romans who traded with this.

These Celts/Ancient Britons/Cornishmen, just like every other tribe in Britain, spoke a Celtic language. For the Cornovii tribe, this was Cornish. This can be proved by various sources, such as Dzhuan Tshei an Hor, which was recorded on paper by Edward Lluyd's Archæologia Britannica in 1707, and you can find here: http://wikisource.org/wiki/Dzhuan_Tshei_an_Hor in it's original form, and also the Cornish Miracle plays, written and preformed in Cornish in the middle ages. All of these are published, and free for you to buy and study if you wish.
So, we know for definite that there was a tribe, known as the Cornovii (Pronounced Kornoweeiy - later became written as Curnow/Kernow), that spoke a language called Cornish as a first language until around the late 1700s.

We also know there was a Cornish nation AFTER the Roman period. The Anglo-Saxon chronicles, written by the English of old, mentions wars against the Cornish, who are defeated, but there was never an invasion. The border was pushed back to the Tamar river by these wars.
Henry VIIIs coronation address said something like this "Henry VIII rules Anglia (England) and Cornubia (Cornwall)" - would they include a mere county in his address? So yes, England was, and still is, ruled by the English monarchy.
But, something unusual happened. Cornwall was sold by a previous king to his son, known as "The Black Prince", and he became known as the Duke of Cornwall. This title is still held today by Prince Charles Duke of Cornwall. Because this land was owned by the Duke, and not by the King, this land ultimately is the Duke of Cornwall's, while (the rest of) England is ultimately owned by the King/Queen. This was confirmed in the Royal Commision of the Constitution (1973) where it stated that Cornwall was a Duchy, owned by the Duke of Cornwall.

So, what have we got so far?
Cornwall was a tribe known by the Romans (and Greeks)
Cornish was the language it spoke, and it was spoken in Cornwall as a first language up until the late 1700's.
Cornwall wasn't invaded in the time of the Anglo-Saxon chronicles, although there were many battles between Cornwall and England.
Cornwall was sold by the King to his son, who became the Duke of Cornwall, which means Cornwall is not owned by Her Highness Queen Elizabeth II.
This means that officially, Cornwall is a Duchy (see Oxford dictionary for definition of County and Duchy - but in simple terms - County = Owned by Count (such as the Count/ess of Kent) and Duchy = Owned by Duke/Duchess (Such as the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall). But, Cornwall IS still administered as an English county.

The Cornish nationalist movement has been growing for many years, and has gained some popular support in the last few decades. Although it is not at the forefront of Cornish minds and the topic spoken in the streets, it is there. The poll taken by the Cornwall County Council proves this. 55% of the population of Cornwall want a devolved government. And if you are thinking "This must be a lie", this was commissioned and run by an organization on the "Cornish county side" (as opposed to the "Cornish nation side").

Those who have commented that they have seen no Cornish Nationalism, and that it doesn't exist, Cornish nationalism is not in every place. Some places are far more Nationalist than others. Perhaps you live in an area that is not so Nationalist.
Also, I put this to you. Have you spoken to every single Cornish person in Cornwall? All 500,000+ ? Because, to say Cornish Nationalism doesn't exist/is only a few people, you must have done this to have an accurate representation.

So, I am going to finish here. Lets have a look at all the facts, so we can make an informed decision.

- Cornwall was a nation, as known to the Romans and Greeks (who called the Celts/Kaelts)
- They spoke Cornish, and had done until 1700s. Today, there are more than 10,000 speakers world wide though. (A dead language, for those who are wondering, is classified as a language with NO speakers. Not one)
- Cornwall was listed in Coronation speeches, laws (Anglia et Cornubia) and represented as seperate on maps
- Cornwall was recognized as officially a Duchy by the state in 1973. However, Cornwall is administered as an English county.
- Cornish nationalism has grown, and 55% of the population in 2003 wanted a devolved governmetn.

Please, we are not freaks. We are not slimy figures who meet in dark rooms and conspire. We are not wierdos who want to remove Cornwall from England.

We only want respect from the English state to be ourselves.
Thank you for reading.
TEL - AnBleydh




Unfortunately, I ran out of character space (limit = 4000 chars.)

Please do not show us up! We can be better than them and their unfounded rants.

TEL

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Post by Myghall » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:26 pm

There's also this one on the Guardian comment is free...

The pointless prince - As Prince Charles turns 60, it is time to call an end to this undemocratic and harmful anachronism: the British monarchy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... h-monarchy


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Post by Masterclass » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:35 pm


myghall said:
There's also this one on the Guardian comment is free...

The pointless prince - As Prince Charles turns 60, it is time to call an end to this undemocratic and harmful anachronism: the British monarchy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... h-monarchy





Not possible.

If the Monarchy were abolished, then who would MPs and members of the Armed Forces swear allegiance to?

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