Nationalist graffiti

[saxonscum]

Oh great. Nationalist vandals with a marker pen.

I'm sure that will really shake the Houses of Parliament to its very foundations.

[Mark]

Living up to yer moniker then Sax...

[saxonscum]

No offence meant to anyone's photographic skills, Mark. But vandalism like that really is objectionable, whatever you think of the sentiments expressed.

[Mark]

Actually, I don't think it is (and nothing to do with skills, photographic or otherwise).
A lot of graffiti is (as you say) objectionable, when it is just the scrawl of of bored teenager or just mindless spraying.
What we're seeing now, is heartfelt expression towards something that means a great deal to a lot of people. Graffito/i started off as such. It might not fit into yours or others asthetic but right now it's a bleddy good way off bringing things to the fore!
Good on 'em I say...

[Mark]

Cue the knock on the door....

[Mark]

Or more likely, the door off its hinges and anything relating to Kernow confiscated...

[saxonscum]

OK, here's what I think good nationalist graffiti is. On the A38, just above Colliford reservoir, is a flag of St Pirans painted onto an outcrop of rock (I passed it today). It's been there for as long as I can remember and it's looking a bit faded now. No words, no anti-English gunk, just the flag. Nonetheless, it spells out a message which nobody can mistake.
It says: This is Cornwall. You're not in England now.

Far more effective, in my view, than something that does resemble 'the scrawl of a bored teenager or just mindless spraying'.

Hope that's made my point a little clearer.

[Marhak]

I don't see the 'vandalism' of pro-Cornish graffiti as any worse than the erection of signs bearing the English Tudor rose, with words like 'English Tourist Board', or 'English' Heritage', or Natural "England", in our Cornish countryside. They are just put up, irrespective of their effect on sensitive landscape designation, and without any of us being consulted about them. Nor should the perpetrators have any right to grumble when the offending words are painted out.

[chris l]

An Gof - English go home!

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Here you go. Over Pool way

I'm sure I've got one of something more poetic by South Crofty. Will have a look

[chris l]

Cornish lads...

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There it is. Not explicitly anti-English

[saxonscum]

Marhak: not arguing about the Tudor rose - even though the Tudors weren't actually of English descent. Henry VII made a big deal of being (at least oartially) Welsh (check his standard at Bosworth and succeeding campaigns - it's a Welsh dragon).

My point is that anyone viewing the efforts of our marker pen friends will think, particularly if they're English tourists: a: Tw*ts; b: Stuff them, then. In other words, it would create unnecessary resentment (ok, I KNOW you've got a lot to be resentful about as well) at a time when getting Cornwall recognised as a separate entity to England perhaps requires a more subtle approach. Cornish flags and other emblems, if you have them, equals, as I tried to make clear earlier, effective subliminal advertising. Phrases like 'English scum' equals anger and a hardening of attitudes against the Duchy.

Do you need that right now?

Chris, thanks for the examples.

[carrek]

My point is that anyone viewing the efforts of our marker pen friends will think, particularly if they're English tourists: a: Tw*ts; b: Stuff them, then.

People who think that have no interest in finding out why it was written. There's no point trying to get them to relate because they're not interested.

But there are people out there who will ask why people are writing that. But they won't ask if nothing is written.

Letting people assume everything is fine and dandy won't get us anywhere.

[Marhak]

I'm well aware of Tudor ancestry but what was done in their name was carried out by the English Imperial State. There can be no argument about that.

[Marhak]

Just a quick addition to the last - Archbishop Thomas Cranmer was one of the chief architacts of Cornish genocide in 1549. He was English to the core. The (Tudor) king, in whose name he did what he did, along with "Lord Protector" Thomas Seymour, was just a sickly 9-year old boy. For me, Cranmer goes down as one of the most evil men in history, and his own end, burning at the stake was fully deserved. However, the previous head of the English state church, George Carey, disgracefully named Cranmer as his 'man of the millenium'!

[Marhak]

And they wonder why they don't get congregations.