The Duchy Of Cornwall - Penzance Harbour Threatened By Cornwall Council Route Partnership Plan ?

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Post by TeamKernow » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:50 pm

From :idea: HERE :idea:
Roger Lowry wrote:In response to Cornwall Council’s decision to ignore the upgrading of the South
Pier to a Grade II* Listed structure and to grant itself planning permission for
the “Option A” harbour scheme in Penzance, the Friends of Penzance Harbour
supported by other community groups has organised an emergency public
meeting to discuss developments and call on the Department for Transport to
support better designed, less destructive and less costly alternatives.
The Council’s Option A harbour scheme is out-of-date, expensive, wasteful and
damaging to Penzance. It is also risky and when costs – already approaching £70m -
overrun, as they are sure to do, there will have to be even deeper cuts to local public
services than the Council is currently proposing.
Fortunately there are alternatives that fit with the town’s aspirations for regeneration
around the harbour (as shown in the Council’s AECOM study) and that provide a
modern, high quality solution to the needs of the ferry service.
The public meeting, which will take place in St John’s Hall in Penzance at 7:30 pm
on Friday 22nd October, will address these issues and send a clear message to the
Department for Transport that Cornwall Council’s proposals for Penzance harbour do
not and have never had the support of the local community.
Invited speakers include Andrew George MP, Penzance Mayor and Town Councillor Jan
Ruhrmund, and local Cornwall Councillor Ruth Lewarne. These and other speakers will
provide information on latest developments and on the main issues now surrounding
the Penzance Harbour proposals.
All are welcome to attend.

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Post by P_Trembath » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:41 pm

Apparently, this is now officially considered to not be viable.
The DoT will not fund their part of a badly thought out scheme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-12923674


Councilor Hicks is, apparently, Livid, following the decision from the DoT.
Everyone, Cornish or otherwise, has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small; no one is too old or too young to do something.

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Post by TeamKernow » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:45 pm

Perhaps a solution can now begin to emerge that will be better all round...
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Post by Marhak » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:26 pm

The proponents of Option A will look to blame all and sundry but, in truth, this decision was made by their own blind faith and over-the-top ambition. Perfectly good, practical and viable alternatives exist and it's now time to take a serious look at them - and TALK to the people they're elected to SERVE. Obviously, I'm pleased by this decision, which has removed the threat to the town's heritage, but I see no reason to crow. Quite obviously, the sea link has to be improved - no one's ever seriously argued otherwise - and it's time for pride to be swallowed and to start working TOGETHER to find and agree the right answer (without external "consultants", this time, please). Money IS available - for the right scheme. Option A isn't that scheme, and never was.

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Post by Mark » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:51 pm

Hicks' resignation would make this news all the better!
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Post by Ludgvan » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:08 pm

Of course not, Cllr Hicks doesn't need to resign over this.


This decision by the Govt is the best possible outcome for Penzance. It puts an end to plans that would have caused untold damage to Penzance but keeps open the possibility of a better approach that addresses the real needs of Penzance and the IoS Link.

We have the possibility of developing something really worthwhile for Penzance.


The letter to the Council from the Dept of Transport can be seen here:

http://www.friendsofpzharbour.org/blog_more.php?b=113

In it, the Minister, Norman Baker says :

"We recognise the importance of a sea connection, both for passengers and freight between Penzance and St Mary's. However, we have made the decision that we cannot support the allocation of over £35m of departmental funds (£62m of public money in total) for a scheme that is very poor value for money, particularly at this time of fiscal stringency.

"The Department believes the scheme proposed by Cornwall Council goes beyond what is necessary to maintain services and is concerned the cost of both the boat and the harbour works have risen by 50% since 2007.

"We hope the Local Authority will take this opportunity to work with the operators, the Isles of Scilly Steamship Company and other key stakeholders to develop a simpler, lower cost solution."


Andrew George is confident that a new project to improve the Ferry link can be secured, and is pleased Govt are keen to find a cheaper, simpler way forward. As he says, in reference to Cornwall Council's ruthless (but failed) poker game tactics, in the following press release "It is wrong to gamble with a lifeline service":


A LIFELINE FOR THE FERRY "LIFELINE"

Commenting on the announcement this afternoon that Government Ministers have announced that they are unable to support the Isles of Scilly Ferry project as submitted but is keen to work with Cornwall Council, the Steamship Company and other stakeholders to develop a "simpler, lower cost solution" for the Isles of Scilly Ferry service. Mr George said:

"The announcement is a disappointment. However, I am confident that many important elements of this vital project can be retrieved, provided that a coalition of stakeholders now comes together with a real determination to resolve matters in a calm and rational manner.

"I fear that the project was destined to be turned down completely had Transport Ministers gathered an impression that the two Councils' high risk "all or nothing" approach was shared by the mainstream communities in Penzance and on Scilly. It is wrong to gamble with a lifeline service.

"Crucially, Ministers could see what was going on and were persuaded that lower cost alternatives were available and have sensibly asked the Councils to think again rather than turn the whole thing down.

"Reassuringly, the Isles of Scilly Steamship Company are renowned for their commitment to this service and loyalty to the Scillies and Penzance over the last 90 years of unbroken service. I feel confident the Company will work to use their freedom and talent to constructively engage to help find a long-term solution.

"Congratulations must go to Penzance Town Council and the Penzance Business Network for helping to persuade the Government that, rather than flatly rejecting the project, rational alternatives were available.

"It was regrettable that the credibility of the need for an improved ferry link was undermined by such things as the Councils' claim that the only alternative was to run a ferry service from Falmouth and by other behaviour. However, Ministers have been prepared to overlook this and to throw the project a lifeline, when many of us feared that the Scillies and Penzance would lose everything.

"With a change of attitude, and a determination to find a solution which brings people and communities together, I am confident that a project to improve the Ferry Link can be secured."

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Post by Marhak » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:14 pm

Doesn't the content of that letter present a markedly different picture to that which was painted on Westcountry Live tonight, and by Mike Waters today? Thank you for putting that up, Ludgvan, because I was going to and you've saved me a job. I do think that certain people on Cornwall Council and Penzance Chamber of Commerce need to take a step back and consider their conduct in this so far. We have to remember that they spent several millions of our money (much of it to the usual external "consultants") when many were telling them to slow down, think, discuss and consult and the published insults to the people of Penzance were also unacceptable.

(So were some of the insults hurled at me. I was actually accused of being "in bed with 'English' Heritage", purely because their initial opinion was similar to my earlier one. ME! Of ALL people - in bed with EH? Ah, but EH later caved in. I didn't - strange that nothing was said then, nor about those who were in bed with the Duke).

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Post by Ludgvan » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:11 pm

Marhak said
I do think that certain people on Cornwall Council and Penzance Chamber of Commerce need to take a step back and consider their conduct in this so far.
This is absolutely right. The Council's conduct has been atrocious, not just on occasion, but throughout this whole episode. Luckily the Minister saw through the hoodwinking and trickery and has been very fair and pragmatic. He has also not been frightened by Duchy, either.

If Govt had gone ahead with this ill-conceived scheme, because Cornwall Council decided this month to borrow £15m instead of the previous £10m, it would have been incredibly expensive for the Steamship Company to have leased the boat, and therefore fare and freight charges would have rocketed. Now everyone is a winner, and the residents of Scilly can look forward to a less extravagant and risky solution to their transport needs.

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Post by Mark » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:38 pm

Marhak wrote: We have to remember that they spent several millions of our money (much of it to the usual external "consultants") when many were telling them to slow down, think, discuss and consult and the published insults to the people of Penzance were also unacceptable.
Ludgvan wrote: The Council's conduct has been atrocious, not just on occasion, but throughout this whole episode. Luckily the Minister saw through the hoodwinking and trickery and has been very fair and pragmatic.
Hence why Hicks, as the mouthpiece/man in charge as portfolio holder (pretentious twaddle!)/main proponent in effect, of this hideous exercise in wasting public money and of rudely dismissing the voice of certain areas of the voting public, (because he didn't like it) should resign.
The man is an utter disgrace.
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Post by Ludgvan » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:02 am

This also opens up for the Scillonians the vital opportunity to get fuel transport to the islands sorted out in a sustainable way.

The proposed passenger/freight ship would not have been permitted to carry fuel and people on the same vessel. Additionally, industry experts say that the fuel pipeline between the mainland and Scilly is not going to useful for much longer as it is old, but will not be replaced.

The Scilly link will need two boats if they want to take fuel over to the Islands, and now they will have the chance to do this.

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Post by tean » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:47 pm

I would hope that this is too serious a subject for this (see link) to be an April Fool prank but, if true, Cornwall Council are washing their hands on the Scilly link.

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/news/Li ... ticle.html

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Post by Ludgvan » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:03 pm

There will be contractual and accountability issues to address, and not least for the £5,000,000 that the Council has obtained to use on their scheme, the vast majority of which came from the people of Cornwall.

Cornwall Council is effectively a less powerful authority than the other major stakeholders involved - Government, the Council of the Isles of Scilly, and the Duchy.

The Government said yesterday:
"The Department of Transport is totally committed to working to ensure this remains secure into the future.

The Department of Transport will give priority for a simpler, lower cost solution for the passenger traffic between Penzance and St Mary's.

I look forward to working productively to help secure an affordable and viable arrangement to support the future of this important crossing"

Kevin Lavery is an arch-strategist, and the strategic advantages of this new development are certainly great - the very risky and expensive (to Cornwall) Option A has now been ruled out, Govt is prepared to be helpful and supportive, Convergence money has been freed up to support another project in Cornwall while an equally effective Scilly Link solution can be accomplished by working more closely with local stakeholders and the private sector.

Also, important not to forget that the drivers in this project have always been the vested interests in Scilly - Philip Hygate cannot let this drop, and Scilly is too important to the Duchy of Cornwall for the possibility of real disruption to the ferry service to occur.

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Post by Marhak » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:21 pm

Indeed - the Duchy might not have said much, but it's been the major mover in all this and found the right people willing to queue up to kiss its arse.

Not that it's got 'em anywhere.

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Post by Trevorpen » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:07 pm

Marhak, thanks for keeping us informed on the PZ-Scilly link, what will happen now? Presumably something must happen, the present Scillonian is getting past it and belongs to last century!
The situation is now dire. Some friends took the boat last year and thought they were in the 1950's queuing up in the rain to board.

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Post by Marhak » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:31 pm

It'll last for a few years yet, giving us enough time for the sensible proposals to be presented, accepted and funded. Those proposals are already well detailed, without cost to the taxpayer. This can't be done with the present Route Partnership team, who have demonstrated that they will not engage with the people of Penzance so, as I see it, Cornwall Council will have to move these people aside and put a different team together. One option proposes a fast, twin-hull passenger ship that can do Pz-St Mary's in 95 minutes (less sea-sickness on a twin-hull, too).

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