Cornish Currency

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by factotum » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:03 am

Yn le pezye gans an vresel-ma yn Kerneweg, gwell vie dhe bubonan omdhysi tamm.

Since I've more or less understood this stuff for years, having helped to set up a small investment scheme for co-operatives, it's easy to forget that most folks still haven't a clue about the real nature of money. My apologies to anyone who already knows. Otherwise please watch (It's all true and they don't tell the half of it) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3sKwwAaCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCu3fpg8 ... re=related

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by factotum » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:05 am

Rag "omdhysi" gwrewgh redye "omdhyski", drog yw genev.

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by factotum » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:24 am

For the benefit of the linguistically challenged (please check original posts for context) :

Tim : I've got a few too.

Kath. : Renew your designing right away. We need thousands of them.

PC : The artwork is truly splendid, but the Cornish is terrible! Just look carefully at the wording --- [Can you see] what's wrong? Answers on a postcard, please.

Tim : And millions and millions!

PC : No, Idiot! I'm not like you. It's not the orthography that I dislike. The Cornish is all wrong.

Tim : I know what you're on about. We need to work around that.

Tim : Blanchflower against the Besant? A strong argument in its favour!

PC : "... flinging insults ..." ??? That's your own speciality! Do you ever read what I write before you answer?

[So just a private quarrel really. Still the translation may be helpful to learners]

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by Anselm » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:54 am

pietercharles wrote:"...flinging insults..."???

Dha arbennikter jy yw henna! A wre'ta redya an pyth a skrifydh kyns ty dh'y dhannvon?

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by Marhak » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:09 am

Well, we were talking about Cornish currency until PC decided to pick a fight. He/she might have said: "Perhaps, for future notes, the Cornish might be improved. I suggest something on the lines of....". That might have been helpful, even constructive. But no, that simply isn't his/her way, whenever petty public sniping presents itself as an option. (And the note was issued 11 years ago, so why nothing from PC in all that time?).

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by P_Trembath » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:09 am

factotum wrote:For the benefit of the linguistically challenged (please check original posts for context) :
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[So just a private quarrel really. Still the translation may be helpful to learners]
Leaving aside my own problems with dyslexia, and the, hopefully finished, quarrels regarding spelling etc, this is the discussion board. A board that all should have access to, even those who have not yet learnt our native tongue. There are the Cornish boards, and the Language board where posting solely in Cornish is acceptable, and even encouraged. Posting in Cornish here is also acceptable, but due to the nature of the board it would be polite if translations were also provided so that all can join in the discussions here. It would also help those of us with "less" Cornish than others, who also have an interest, to pick up the intricacies and usage of the language. In short, it would not only be polite, but beneficial as well.
As for "private quarrels", would they not be best carried out in private (face to face, e-mail, PM, etc) rather than give our dissenters even more ammunition to beat us with. In fact, I would go so far s to say that it is the "private quarrels" that have driven many away from these boards, possibly even from the cause itself.

To get back to the topic:-
Do the existing notes have any "monetary value"? As collectors items or similar?

Also, if a new Cornish Currency were to be introduced, what would be behind it?
Would it be guaranteed by British Stirling, or would it have some other form of financial backing?
Whilst its value would have to be pegged with the British Pound, if that were its sole financial basis, it would be left wide open to manipulation by vested interests that may not be overly sympathetic to a Cornish Currency.
Everyone, Cornish or otherwise, has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small; no one is too old or too young to do something.

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by Kathlovenn » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:33 am

This forum is the only place I've discovered on the internet where it is possible to write in Cornish with the expectation that at least a few people will read and understand it, and might even reply. The Cornish language boards are ok but if you want to respond to a topic on this board, here seems the obvious place to do it.

I have no wish to be cliquey or exclusive, but I do want to see the language used and visible. If every time someone wants to write in Cornish they have to provide a translation, that's going to be tedious and a discouragement to doing it to say the least. And what is the incentive for anyone to learn Cornish if there is no Cornish in existence that isn't accompanied by an English translation?

As for the "private" arguments, my guess is that there would be no enjoyment for those involved in conducting them without an audience.

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by factotum » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:15 pm

The main point of having different languages is that you can have a 'private' conversation in 'public'. That is you can address a particular virtual community of people and assume some shared values and background knowledge different from the world at large (which more or less = the anglophone universe). In a sense the 'discussion' in Cornish did not embarrrase the board at large because it was meaningless to those outside the 'club'. If that annoys the digernewegoryon so be it. Entry to the club is freely available to anyone who cares enough to bother to learn the language. Are people going to be offended by the use of Cornish, by (mostly) Cornish people, on a pro-Cornish board? If so the language is doomed. Please respect our right to use our own language with one another. If we don't it isn't a real language. Remember, the language is the one most obvious thing showing that Cornwall is a nation.

Sorry, I mistranslated PC. [Gav dhymm]
He actually wrote, "Do you read what _you_ write before you _send_ it".

Pegging a local currency to the £ would imo defeat its purpose and also possibly create legal problems. There is an immense literature out there on various schemes for alternative currencies, although it's a good while since I took an interest. Google things like "LETS", "time dollars" etc. As to what a currency is backed by, simply confidence, it's a con trick. So if a group of people get together and agree to honour their own currency, then it will have value within that group. BUT not beyond. Which means it can't be used to syphon off profits from that community, which is what happens day in day out with a normal currency. Which is why peripheral places like Cornwall become poorer and poorer at the expense of metropolitan centres. Not that that really matters now, since the rulebook appears to have been completely rewritten over the past 30 or so years, so that basically the big banks have the entire world stitched up, governments and all. Other than by supporting the global backlash that's now developing, Cornwall doesn't stand a ghost of a chance.

Craig, can we see an image of your design (I want to see if you've made any mistakes in the knotwork [joking])

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by Marhak » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:19 pm

If I knew how to put up the images of both sides of the note, I'd happily do it, Keith. But you are talking to a complete computer duffer.....

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Re: Cornish Currency

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by pietercharles » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:10 pm

Ha ny skrifis

"It's not the orthography that I dislike"

My a skrifas

"There isn't an orthography that I dislike"

po

"I don't dislike any orthography"

ha poesek yw an dyffrans dhe'm brys vy.

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by Marhak » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:19 pm

Meur ras dhis, Kathlovenn (we'll just let "Pieter" witter on, shall we, while we continue on topic?).

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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by TGG » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:29 pm


by Kathlovenn » 14 Nov 2011 10:33 wrote:This forum is the only place I've discovered on the internet where it is possible to write in Cornish with the expectation that at least a few people will read and understand it, and might even reply. The Cornish language boards are ok but if you want to respond to a topic on this board, here seems the obvious place to do it.

I have no wish to be cliquey or exclusive, but I do want to see the language used and visible. If every time someone wants to write in Cornish they have to provide a translation, that's going to be tedious and a discouragement to doing it to say the least. And what is the incentive for anyone to learn Cornish if there is no Cornish in existence that isn't accompanied by an English translation?

As for the "private" arguments, my guess is that there would be no enjoyment for those involved in conducting them without an audience.
Not wishing to perpetuate this 'off-topic' aspect of the thread, I would completely agree with Paddy's observations.

Whilst I take note of what Kathlovenn says, may I offer an alternative view? Speaking personally, there is a lot to be said for seeing both the Cornish & English as an aid to learning, because of the invaluable help it provides in sentence construction, word choice etc.

To deny that opportunity is more representative of intolerance than tedious or a discouragement. If the language has a value, which I consider to be priceless, then surely it should be a part of our enthusiasm for the language that drives those more able than others to also act as teachers. More friendly, more tolerant and more respectful and might encourage others to go to the various language sections - or classes? - to see things in context.

The above examples are mainly acceptable but some are in bad taste. Bilingual might avoid the need for a linguistic specialist to volunteer to be a Moderator! :roll:

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They declare their Cornishness with pride
Whilst oblivious to our genocide
That England imposes
With smiles and Red Roses
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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by Anselm » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:02 am

Gast an ast, re hunis vy y'n gador arta!
Da yw Kernewek yhto hedra na vo kewsys, skrifys, redys, klywys ...
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Re: Cornish Currency

Post by Anselm » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:02 am

TGG wrote:


The above examples are mainly acceptable but some are in bad taste. Bilingual might avoid the need for a linguistic specialist to volunteer to be a Moderator! :roll:

TGGFor The (Real)Reason Why!
Awfully bad form to speak Hindustani in the Mess, Carruthers. Verb. Sap.
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'Against a promontory my ship' Rump L. Stiltz-Kinn

'With regret I feel that unless you have a serious change of heart your presence at the Mennaye on Cornish Pirates match days is no longer desired.'
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