Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

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Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Ludgvan » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:58 am

Today's Western Morning News front page article:

Cornwall must reject the politics of "victimhood and isolationism" by ditching the campaign for a devolved Cornish assembly, two Conservative MPs say today.

Duchy MPs say it's time to ditch campaign for devolved assembly in favour of 'looking outwards'



In an article for the Western Morning News, George Eustice and Sarah Newton instead call for Cornwall to seek greater powers from Whitehall, but make plain that being separate from the rest of the UK would be damaging.
Their comments will likely anger Cornish nationalists pushing for self-determination similar to devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales on the basis of the Duchy's distinct history and heritage.
It comes as the Government is ceding powers to the regions after recently completing a series of "city deals" to give Manchester, Leeds and others greater control over policies including transport and education.
But Mr Eustice, MP for Camborne and Redruth, and Ms Newton, who represents Truro and Falmouth, argue the "assembly agenda" is "failed and divisive", and died when Labour's push for elected regional chambers was dropped.
The MPs write: "Instead of clinging to this defunct 1990s devolution agenda, Cornwall must embrace a forward-looking approach.
"This should be less about paying for more politicians in a costly assembly and more about giving those councillors we already have a greater say.
"Rather than espousing the politics of victimhood and isolationism, our agenda must project Cornwall as a distinct, self-confident but outward- looking and enthusiastic part of the UK."
The article, which echoes the sentiment of campaigners trying to keep the United Kingdom together ahead of a referendum on Scottish independence, suggests Cornwall would be weakened by a devolved assembly, which has been the clarion call of Cornish nationalist party Mebyon Kernow. It states: "Cornwall has always had a special place within the United Kingdom and has historically derived its real power through being enthusiastically British."
The MPs, both elected in 2010, also call for the creation of a "Stannary Chamber" to let town and parish councils scrutinise County Hall decisions, and to allow parish councils to make "co-decisions" on Government funds spent in their towns and villages.
Cornwall remaining within the UK would also make it more likely that ties with neighbouring Devon and the greater South West, in areas including policing and strategic economic development, would continue.
Tim Jones, chairman of the Devon and Cornwall Business Council, said: "A strong peninsula is not based on the back of separation. We are a community and we should remain as one, but that does not mean you cannot respect distinct cultural identities."


http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cornwal ... story.html

with the main article written by the two of them on p10.


Meanwhile, Sheryll Murray has tweeted again and again how devastated she is that the Boundary change is unlikely to go ahead:

"The agreement was AV referendum for reduction in the number if seats."

"very sad that LDs chose to ignore the deal they made which was AV referendum for equal populated Constituencies and fairness"

etc

https://twitter.com/sheryllmurray


Alex Folkes was so surprised by Sheryll complaining about the potential removal of the threat of Devonwall that he blogged about it

http://lansonboy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08 ... ay-mp.html


Do these three characters (Newton, Eustice, Murray) understand anything about Cornwall? Are they representing their constituents fairly? Most of all, can they be trusted to do anything in Cornwall's best interests?

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Carvath » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:32 am

Beware, Tory "localism" is about cuts and then making the local authority take the blame for shortfalls.

On their present form it is very unlikely that the Tories will form part of any UK government in the foreseeable future after 2015. However, they might increase their MPs in Cornwall at the expense of the LDs, who appear to have melted down UK-wide.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Marhak » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:45 am

Question: When could a Tory EVER be trusted?

These people are just trotting out the line written for them by London.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Crowsanwra » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:54 pm

My old man says never trust a Tory and I dont. Old Big ger has gone into overdrive on the this is Cornwall article. See, hes in a no win situation because altho the Torys have said no Cornish parliment they have said they would give more power to the council and set up a Stannary group.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Carbilly » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:59 pm

I shouldn't worry overmuch about the bottom feeders who lurk on 'TIC'. The last wild flailings of a dying breed of desperate Greater England nationalists who still lament the long lost days of Empire. If you ignore them and deny them the attention they so desperately crave, they may even take the hint and sod off to back to whatever stone they crawled out from under. :)

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Marhak » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:11 pm

Not very long ago, George Eustice got headlines with his call to abolish "English" Heritage. Whose heritage? he was saying. Since then....silence. When I tried to get his support for the abolition of EH (and Natural "England") on the basis of financial sense (as there's no call to have two tiers of management for the historic and natural environments), and giving all the powers and funding to the existing local bodies dealing with those issues, he couldn't even be bothered to respond. All wind and piss, like most politicians, especially Tory ones.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by cornishsurfgirl » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:34 pm

Just like Labour, Lib Dems, the Tories are Unionists.

Labour, Lib Dem, Tories are all terrified at the prospect of the break up of the UK, so anything they say is a kind of funny combination of fear and stupidity. The article is a huge own goal for the Unionists, mainly because it doesn't make any sense.

Independence for Cornwall would be a fantastic opportunity for our culture and economy.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by cornishsurfgirl » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:40 pm

My guess is one of the writers of the press release article was their agent, who happens to be 'Scottish'.

It also betrays some of GE's limited abilities as a PR man, and explains why he never made it as a journalist. The narrative of the article betrays a kind of aggressive insecurity, and the thesis is vague and uneven.

The ordinary reader would be basically disinterested, and actually is likely to make Labour and Lib Dem supporters come round to the pro-independence argument.

SE would have not been involved in the writing. She gets a bit manic with copy, so they just get her to sign it off.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by GrahamHart » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:46 pm

The British Government is a corporation. What do corporations do ? Make profits for it's shareholders. Every General Election we the people vote in the same or different directors. Case closed. Why do people keep talking about different parties ? Whichever colour they are, the Corporation stay's the same.

No matter what the party it makes no difference, MK included. Why ? Because they play by the same rules.
Independent MP's with the balls to stand for the people is the only way to end this evil
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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by cornishsurfgirl » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:54 pm

GrahamHart wrote:The British Government is a corporation. What do corporations do ? Make profits for it's shareholders. Every General Election we the people vote in the same or different directors. Case closed. Why do people keep talking about different parties ? Whichever colour they are, the Corporations stay the same.

No matter what the party it makes no difference, MK included. Why ? Because they play by the same rules.
Independent MP's with the balls to stand for the people is the only way to end this evil
I hope you, or someone like you, does stand for election Graham. ALL political parties are the same. They all love themselves to pieces and cannot bear to admit they ever get anything wrong. We need real, fallible, witty people to represent us - not odd geeks.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Marhak » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:32 pm

The problem is, Graham, that Independents have to uphold a standard of true independence, being beholden to no "group", and there to represent their electorate and not themselves. Not every Independent is of that calibre. Both you and I can name examples who aren't.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by factotum » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:33 am

I was just reading this the other day, on the state of the Tory Party, basically a falling membership and every more beholden to big business and the City ... hardly news but possible relevant ...

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.ph ... ry-england

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by GrahamHart » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:09 am

Thanks for your kind words cornishsurfgirl.

Absolutely correct Craig, That's where the balls are required. And to see off this fraudulent bunch they're going to need bleddy big ones at that, but there are those with them out there. They will need to get a majority in the House of Commons because that's how far we are going to have to go to turn it around. But in reality, a full scale revolution is probably closer because it's well under way. It's not being covered by the mainstream media of course, but it's happening, as thousands more by the day are beginning to wake up to what's really going on. Over this past year I've seen evil on a level that is sometimes hard to comprehend. This madness [caused by only a small handful of people across the world] must stop ! ! !

I know George and I met Sarah a couple of weeks ago. I've met with Andrew on a couple of occasions as well. All kind, gentle people as are most MP's, unless they're twats like Boris Johnson. Trouble is, no balls! None of them!
All 650 of them are aware of the Hollie Greig case, http://holliegreig.info/ yet not one has responded. Incredible. And the higher up you go? Filthy slugs getting filthier, each and every one of them. Make no mistake, these people are five star CRIMINALS!

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Rosko » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:18 am

I very much doubt George Useless & Sarah NewInTown, like Seb Coe and others before them, have much to do with the articles written for them, other than signing them. As pointed out several times above, and on many other threads, they are both merely front line monkeys for political parties that are subservient to huge business interests controlling much of our legal & political institutions.

These same institutions are full of peadophiles scratching each other's backs...

Re. Cornwall, (re)creating a Duchy - preferably Charles-free - has nothing onward or backward looking about it; in fact, quite the opposite, as clearly demonstrated by the progress made in Wales & Scotland, and the autonomous positions of jersey, Guernsey & IoM in a shrinking & increasingly global world.

(re)instating the Stannators is a good, but small first step, if that happens.

Independent MPs is absolutely the right way forward - as I've actively campaigned for many times for decades - although, with a lack of these here & now, MK remains the only (logical) choice in Cornwall.

This (ind. MPs) requires huge resources....

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Ludgvan » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:29 pm

"They're nice people"

"They didn't write it themselves"

"London decides what they do".


Crumbs, the apologists for this pair of wreckers are out in force. These two are highly paid individuals who's elected duty is to make the strongest case they can for Cornwall and for their constituencies – and to understand the political environment. Instead they make a garbled and uninformed argument in favour of shackling a desire for more decision-making powers while throwing around inflammatory terms like 'the politics of victimhood'.

Cornwall has made some advances, but the percentage of the public spend in Cornwall which is controlled by Cornwall Council remains at the very low figure of around 25%. Newton and Eustice show that their agenda is to see Cornwall is 'an enthusiastic part of the UK' by becoming more dependent on centralised government and less realistically able to determine the public spend in Cornwall itself.

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