Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Marhak » Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:43 pm

Hardly apologists for people who haven't the moral fibre to tell their London masters to p*ss off.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Ludgvan » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:28 pm

Errhmm:

"These people are just trotting out the line written for them by London."


.....That's OK then, they're 'good ol' things' after all. Perhaps they can now just carry on touting their belief about Cornwall being (in their words) isolationist and espousing the politics of victimhood - and how ratcheting up dependency and peripherality is their ideal way to boost confidence and the economy.
It's exactly the line taken by Tony Blair, Candy Atherton and co - and which fortunately decimated the Labour vote in Cornwall.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Marhak » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:28 pm

Yes, basically, they're all liars but the Tories are the worst liars of all. Cameron, when in Opposition, spoke up for Cornwall and even appointed a "Shadow Minister for Cornwall" (God knows who he was "shadowing", then promised on TV that, when in power, he would appoint a Minister for Cornwall.

Of course it was all a deliberate and devious con trick to get voters in Cornwall to consider voting Tory. Enough did to give him 3 Tory MPs. Once he gained those, and power, all those promises vanished like smoke in a breeze. Suddenly we got all the insulting crap about the "Amazon", etc. Murray, Eustice and the other one whose name escapes me, knew all along that this was Cameron's tactic. Deliberately screwing Cornwall got them seats in the Commons, so they're happy and, since the ballot closed, to hell with us. So yes, we are victims. Yet again.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Crowsanwra » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:43 pm

Im sick with all the mickey taking by the tHis is Cornwall trolls. Im also sick with being slapped down for being Cornish. We are spoken about like scum and treated like trash. I will now vote Mk but I feel the battle has been all lost. Mockery thats all we put up with all the time.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Mark » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:40 pm

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Gandhi
As long as a hundred of us remain alive, we shall never give in to the domination of the English. We fight not for glory, not for wealth nor honours but only and alone for freedom, which no good man surrenders but with his life...

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by factotum » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:48 am

So has *anyone* got a strategy to change things, that is a workable sequence of aims and objectives to get from here to where you want to be? You see, it seems to me that the Establishment have pretty much got things sewn up in England, and with only a tiny minority supporting MK, Cornwall looks like staying "part of England" for all practical purposes for the foreseeable future. Even Wales is so-so, their powers are a gift from Westminster and could well be taken back at some future time. Scotland is a much better bet, or move to the Channel Islands or Ireland or somewhere in Europe. Actually the thought of living somewhere where *anyone* votes Tory is sickening.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Marhak » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:00 am

Don't get too disheartened, Crowsanwra. The trolls - just ignorant bigots, really - show themselves up by way of their obvious bigotry, shocking ignorance of the facts, and a total inability to construct and spell their own language! We do get frequent chances to rub their noses in it. And enjoy it when we do.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Marhak » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:05 am

Short of a heavy suitcase and mushroom cloud over London, no we haven't, Keith. Yet. But it's being worked on by a good many folk. Mainly out of sight because to forewarn is to forearm. Among the brains being turned to this issue are those of Coserg. Bewnans Kernow is another group that is hard at it, and they've very recently issued a document in opposition to the Council's potentially disastrous "Core Strategy". And there are more minds being put to the task as well. More than ever before.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Crowsanwra » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:01 pm

Cornish to get devolved powers
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Well I'll be beggered. Have anyone seen the latest on This IS Cornwall now? They are3 saying we will get Cornwall a bit freeer.

This should be a lead to it here: http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cornwal ... story.html

and here to: http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cornish ... story.html

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Roger Lowry » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:19 pm

"Cornwall should have a greater say on those things that affect Cornwall." Andrew George stated in the article mentioned above. It could lead to better things.
Last night I watched the film "Stone of Destiny" in which Ian Hamilton and his pals revived the Scottish nation from its slumbers - look where they are now.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Ludgvan » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:54 pm

Exactly Roger, well said. And Wales too is thriving and full of confidence - and keeping its young people within its borders.


Meanwhile, we have Sheryll Murray's imbecilic bleatings on Twitter today revealing her agreement with her fellow collaborators and her complete ignorance of politics in Cornwall:

"Why is Bert Biscoe an Independent Councillor if he has this view? Why not sit with the MK Group? Please tell us Bert http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cornwal ... story.html "

"Sheryll Murray MP @sheryllmurray Why is Bert Biscoe an Independent Councillor if he has this view? Why not sit...http://www.facebook.com/SheryllMurrayMP ... 5130906096 "

"@MebyonKernow Why is Bert Biscoe not in the MK Group? He's still an Independent Cornwall Councillor? With his experience he could be leader!"

"@Trerice Hmm! It's Bert's call, but if he's committed to MK, why not join them on the Council? Maybe he doesn't want us to know why!"


https://twitter.com/sheryllmurray

Not only is the Tory party incapable of choosing moderately intelligent candidates, they don't seem to be able to pull in an agent who is able to see any of them put out information that makes the slightest bit of sense.

They've kept a very low profile since being elected, but now they are revealing their hand - and TBH, I think what we're seeing is worrying.

By the way, top stuff from Cllr Biscoe, and good to see someone knows what they're talking about.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Marhak » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:03 pm

Crowsanwra.....Clegg says that we "could" have some devolved powers. Cameron said - on TV for all to hear - that we WOULD have a Minister for Cornwall. If WOULD can't produce a result, then "could" has no chance.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Trevorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:21 pm

Get ready for the whole of Cornwall to turn blue! With the Lib Dem MP's all winning their seats on greatly reduced majorities at the last election and the mess Clegg is in, it looks like a Conservative/ Labour battle at the next election battle with the Liberals squeezed. Any ideas of regional assemblies will be kicked into the long, long grass.
.... and then there is the question - whom would pay for such assemblies? Most Cornish tax payers are already fed up with Cornwall Council charges. Tell them they will have to pay for another tier of governance and ask them if they are prepared for that!

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by P_Trembath » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:20 pm

Trevorpen wrote: Most Cornish tax payers are already fed up with Cornwall Council charges.


Most tax payers, wherever they are from are fed up with the amount they have to pay their councils.
Trevorpen wrote: Tell them they will have to pay for another tier of governance and ask them if they are prepared for that!
Clearly you fail to grasp what is being sought. There will be no extra tier of governance. The UA will become the Assembly, with a bit of reorganisation. With local control over local affairs, there will be appreciable savings.
Everyone, Cornish or otherwise, has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small; no one is too old or too young to do something.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Carbilly » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:46 pm

Clearly you fail to grasp what is being sought. There will be no extra tier of governance. The UA will become the Assembly, with a bit of reorganisation. With local control over local affairs, there will be appreciable savings.
Trev in 'comprehension fail' shocker... :o :lol:

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